KasbeKZ

yeah i wasn't being specific. just saying that if one says that one candidate is lying, then in my opinion, one must also accept that the other candidate is lying equally as much. there really is no way to tell at this point.

280zx2by2

again you mention Ayers.. there is nothing there and Mccain know that, theres nothing behind rev wright "scandal" and YOU know that (btw who cares if rev dosent like white people i dont like em either)

Rezco is the only slight truth(and then all Obama got from him and his companies was a small, i think, 1/2 acre plot and some campain money that was returned...

now i reply... why didnt Obama ask Mccain about his associations with Charles Keating...

SportBikeMike

So you see nothing wrong with Obama's associations with a unrepentent ant-America terrorist? You see nothing wrong with Ayers and Obama teaming-up (along w/ 50 mil) to radicalize the Chicago school system? And you don't see anything wrong with Obama attending the church of a black-separationist, racist, anti-American preacher (and also his "mentor") for 20 years. Then dude, I don't know what to tell you....

280zx2by2

#1 the work Obama did with ayers had nothing to do with radicalizing the education system... so by your thoughts since ayers is a radical everything he dose HAS to have radical ideas in it?

#2 wright didnt start doing his anti-american racist **** until after he was in the spotlight of the media...

#3 you dont see a problem with Mccain being a part of the Keating 5? where he caused the fed gov to lose 2 billion $$$(and this was in 89{very simular to bush and this problem we have today) because he and his cronies paid lobbyests to pay off the regulators and caused loncoln financial to fail and take the economy with it...

SportBikeMike

#1 http://thehill.com/dick-morris/the-o...008-10-07.html

#2 Thats because no one had heard of Wright until Obama became a Presidential candidate. You think he just started having these views recently?No one developes that kind of hate and racism overnight. Obama has heard this stuff preached for years...and yet stayed a member of the church.

#3 Sorry, but was McCain ever arrested? Wasn't he and John Glenn cleared of any improper behavior and continued their careers as senators. And how can you even compare this to associations with terrorists. I don't think Keating tried to blow-up the pentagon....

ZBRICK

Snow, Your comming around. Hang in there.

ZBRICK

HAHAA, It don't get it. Yesterday you said you believe everything they say. Flip flop????

280zx2by2

#1 get me an article like that not written by dick morris(morris plays into the hands of conservatists and says what they want him to say)ever watched fox?

#2 rev wright had these opinions he just didnt start expressing them untill he was getting exposure from reporters following the obama campain...

#3 Mccain wasnt arested because he got off on a technicality where it was something like the jurors had heard about his state conviction so both convictions were overturned... he wasnt cleared of the charges by the courts untill they had to just drop the charges and he was "pardoned"(in a political sence) by the senate ethics comitte(aka his buddies) so he continued his career as a senator

the keating 5 did however basicly say **** you america by ****ing with the US ecomomy

ZBRICK

Of course the conservatives want him to say what he said - it's the truth. Don't you want the truth? Or, do you shut it out if it goes against your beliefs?



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SportBikeMike

OK here are some articles not by Dick Morris who- GASP!!- appears on Fox News, the only network not in Obama's pocket!

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...ves-in-my.html

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...ZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5b183a6b2c0a53

And if want to talk about politicians f*cking up the economy and f*cking up America, check out Obama and his Democrat buddies:

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2...eddie-mac.html

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/20...re-obama-lies/

Obama had the third highest amount of campaign contributions from fannie mae and freddy mac...only behind Chris Dodd and John Kerry!

KasbeKZ

no. no flip flop. what i said yesterday is that i treat each candidate as if they are being truthful about everything. so by that belief, if one believes that one candidate is lying, one must also accept that the other is lying equally as much. seriously simple

KasbeKZ

the "there is no way to tell statement" was to say that there is no way to tell who is lying

snwbrderphat540

hey everyone... STFU Obama wins election end of story. black president will probably be killed in office McCain will probably die a week after election from being older than ****. Biden wins. better than Palin.

280zx2by2

ok you have 5 links with 4 of wich are blogs from conservative republicans and blogs are not proven they are just as reliable as me and you saying what we want here...

#1 first blog Doug Ross who is an obvious conservative who also has blogs on how slow a corvette is so im not sure we can trust his logic... plus his blog contains no hammering fact just his extreme conservitive etched opinions

#2 is blog from Stanley Kurtz a self stated conservative who has 2 books out
"Barack Obama's Lost Years" and "Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism on Schools" which i mean well that does sound like conservative (well anti-Obama) titles

#3 is a report of a radio program that is hosting well... Stanley Kurtz and its him just stating the same ayers obama relations with some more conservative spin

#4 this is a blog by micheal barone another scared conservative... and i have a quote from the blog...

"The GSEs' mission allegedly justifying their quasi-governmental status was to package or securitize such mortgages, but the lion's share of their profits—which determined top executives' bonuses—came from speculation."

from speculation you say... but he forgets speculators are a result of a lack of regulation.... you know who else and against regulation and has voted against it... John Mccain... hmmmmm

#5 well my view is that Mccain voted for the bail out to... AT LEAST OBAMA MADE SOME MONEY OUT OF IT!!! this is mabe the only thing you found thats interesting and its only because this is a new subject and have not had the time to do my homework... but its still not as bad the keating 5

got any more articles that are not blogs by radical conservative republicans?

280zx2by2

this is the dream situation... the ideal race would be biden, obama and mccain, palin... but they all suck except for biden...

i think allen comes would make a good president

EVERYONE WATCH THIS... its halarious...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI3pacQMspc

SportBikeMike

You think Alan Colmes would be a good president?? That about says it all folks!

SportBikeMike

OK smart guy, I'm tired of digging up sources that you might approve of. Of course there will be no liberal blogs that will cover this....BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO HIDE IT!!!!!! And they're not "radical" republicans, thats total BS and you know it! So why don't you just keep on believing Obama is not involved with the CAC or Ayers....and that all these bloggers are fabricating the story....if that makes you feel better. And why don't you keep believing that Obama wasn't aware of Wright's beliefs all those years. Like ZBRICK said, if there are facts that don't agree with your beliefs, just ignore them or deny them. Its the liberal way!!!

I'm tired of trying to convince you of anything because you'll only believe what you want to believe, despite any evidence to the contrary.

And one more thing, I KNEW you would try to discredit the sources!! So damn predictable....

KasbeKZ

lol at that youtube link

snwbrderphat540

MEOW!!!!! CAT FIGHT! lol jk.... he's 16 you got pwned by a JR. in highschool broski! (again jk) lol. though he makes pretty good points. he is on one not making much sense. on the other hand, what your trying to fight is allegations that have never really been proven as far as talking to ayers. who once again, IS A PROFESSOR AT UIC. its a pretty big *** school... and he wasnt a terrorist. he wasnt a good person though, but i wouldnt classify him as a terrorist not at all. also, seems to be a VERY smart guy and doing alot of good teaching at a pretty damn good college and all.

SportBikeMike

Dude, the guy had plans to blow up the pentagon and the capital building, hows that not a terrorist?? I'm pretty certain Ayers was more than "just some guy in my neighborhood" as Obama implies. But screw it....I'm tired....I'm goin to bed.

snwbrderphat540

they didnt have enough explosives to blow up a building they caused like 10k in damage no injuries at the pentagon. haha...

280zx2by2

this was the 70's we are talking of, everyone had plans to blow up the pentagon in some sort or fasion(thats my last statement)... should we say truce because i could prove your opinions wrong and you could prove mine wrong and this wouldnt end untill the election, when Obama wins by a land slide (ok thats my last statement)....

the word is he will get fired because you cant get owned like that at FOX... whats funny is in his evening broad cast (witch is supose to be the same a his early broad cast) didnt contain this interview...

SportBikeMike

OK truce called......but NO WAY Obama wins in a landslide, McCain maybe, Obama no way!!!

theramz

I am not racist and I have 2 adopted African American children. Obama is not black! To call himself black is an insult to his white mother. To denounce his own church after 20 years is ****** up. Just how does anyone "work their way through Harvard law school"? If he wins will he swear in on a Bible? He might not be Muslim but he sure as hell ain't Christian. jmo
Sorry Hoov, I can't vote for anyone who promises lower taxes and dosen't have the power to do so. But I think you would make a good mod.

Bleach

anyone who flaunts themselves around and asks to be a Moderator certainly won't be one.

Besides, we don't need more Mods

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