whats your basis on voting for obama? because he was apart of a couple community programs that did ok? I'm apart of one of the most feared army's in the world, but i have no responsibility for why they are that way. (I'm trying to do a double move here if you havent cought it yet.)

a part? more like, he organized and created them put up some good social reforms. did alot of selfless acts to better the community, so thats how i feel he will treat the country.

Watch Hanity on Sunday night at 9:00 and you will see all the relationships obama has had with disreputal people and what his community involvement was really all about. By the way it was about building power, and building net worth. Just watch then respond.


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selfless act? you have no ****ING IDEA what a selfless act is snw. NO politician does something "for the good of it" there is ALWAYS a benefit for them ALWAYS.

ok guys. not a fight. a discussion.

**** you really need to search before speaking.... im talking about when he was working in chicago, teaching college..... he was not a politician yet not at all....

but look at this analogy

Bill Ayers = terorist...

Bill Ayers + Obama = best buddies

OBAMA = TERORIST



lol this is just a joke so dont hate snw

you know who bill ayers is? where he is now? what he did and was affiliated with even?

i know its a joke, but your young and dumb and i think your using some crap you just saw on the news clip and thats how stupid shit spreads.

honestly snw, alot of terrorists are good friends with uncle sam, so why dont we just vote one in to run our country? :)



(just kidding, couldnt resist)

lol i keep hearing this terrorist relations and Bill Ayers is the first time a name has been used, and he is a professor at UIC. lol. some terrorist. he was a main figure in the weather underground a large violent radical group against the Vietnam war. they never really made any demands, and the bombings they did, as far as i remember researching, were just made to cause damage not to kill, i think few lives came from it, and all attacks were on government buildings not aimed at the public/citizens. also it was a small project bombing not caused to really F-shit up but a couple members killed themselves making an anti-personnel bomb and i think that was the end of their bombing chapter. which was 3 small strikes, pentagon, some police headquarters, and a statue. they were a terrorist group in a sense against the government and its control, never the people of America or the public in general. in a small way, thats like saying the American revolution was a work of terrorism.

All I got to say is....I don't want another friggin' democrat running my country again. They go against what I believe. And I will not support them. I also don't agree with ACORN either. Very bad organization...that made banks give out loans to people with horrible credit. And other things also. Which I will not get into.

your right ^^^^

MORE BUSH MORE BUSH!!!! i want a full blown 1920's depression non of that 1970's pussy shit we are facing.

you dont have to have a name, all you have to di is point in that general direction and there they are!

all i know is that Obama worked with ayers WAY after the bombings, and obama had to get some kind of education reform bill passed and he needed ayers help

and about not wanting another democratic president...

bill left the US with a national surplus(40billion i think was the total amount used by clinton in all, and was easily made up through taxes)and no war...

bush is leaving us with a total 4 billion deficit (11billion if you count the bail out) and a war that is going to use 3 Trillion with a T... not to mention a shackey ecomomy and a future war with Iran

just for anyone who cant open there eyes today, the war in iraq is over, we are now finishing up our little war in afghan. and we are currently sending troops to iran as well as a couple other classified locations at this time.







(are 51 does exist on paper BTW)

oh classified. that makes me want to join the military.

so what you are saying is that we are finishing up the war that we were in, and going to several other wars?

How can the country be free of religious persecution when this site is not even free of religious persecution? I have witnessed plenty and you have also.

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lol our government isnt for the people anymore. and it was looking similare to now as it was then when the vietnam war was going on, also, as in f-shit up i menat it wasnt aimed like 9/11 attacks and others to bring down whole building kill masses and destroy our economy, it was done to piss off the government. also, public and republic and government??? i definitely think your confusing some facts on that one. a government employee is no longer technically the same as us as far as civilian status goes, even the mail man, they are the only ones with the legal power to open our mailboxes unless yoru the owner or another government employee... sure its getting close to grey lines because mailmen dont carry guns or have alot of power to exercise but its just a point. the first quote though, i did kinda neglect the initial thought haha.

the government doesn't penalize anyone for having any one set of beliefs. sure people get made fun of for it, but that doesn't have anything to do with the government. it shouldn't affect the choice of president.

It doesn't matter when the damn bombings took place....what matters is that Ayers is unrepentent. Once an anti-America radical, always an anti-America radical. And oh yeah, Obambi's campaign started at Ayers house. They're neighbors!

When Clinton left office, we were in a recession (started 3/2000). The economy under Bush had been quite good through 2006. It started getting worse in 2007, when the Demorats took over congress. If you want to blame somebody for the economy maybe you should check out Obambi's involvement with Freddie and Fannie.

There was no war under Clinton? Heard of Bosnia? Somalia? On the other hand, he completely dismantled our military, and when we had terrorist attacks on the WTC ('93), the American embassy in Africa, and the USS Cole, Clinton didn't do a damn thing about it (firing a random missile at an aspirin factory doesn't count). Not to mention the numerous time he could have caught or killed bin Laden, and didn't do it.

And I suppose the government would suddenly be for the people if Obambi was elected? It would be for the "people" all right.....the anti-American leftwing radicals. So I guess you're saying terrorism is A-OK as long as it doesn't kill "masses"....and of course as long as the terrorist is a buddy of Obambi?

Can you imagine if John McCain or Sarah Palin had the kind of associations that Obambi has? Heck, the mainstream media would be trying to hang them at the nearest tree! (yet Obambi gets a free pass....)

obama said in the debate that he was going to restore the respect of the US in the eyes of other country's. if we believe what one candidate says, we have to believe what the other one says, because there's really no way to tell which one is lying. these people are the best of the best at lying.

to make politics simple you have to believe in the fact that every politician is lying and is just out to suck you of your blood and money.

that makes it complicated.... then you have to guess which things that which candidate says are right.

to make it simple, believe everything they say, then rebel and protest when they don't follow through

no, we have tried that already, didnt work out too well. just look at them as all blood sucking vampires and the media as the vampiress who has that magical voodoo attraction spell thing. :106:

What left field are you from?

is that so very extreme? it's really the only method that makes sense to me. but it's obvious that that isn't really the best way to do it, so that's part of the reason that i hate politics and the whole system that is used in the states today. i think it's pretty ridiculous to have to not only determine who's argument is better, but also decide which arguments are true. with limited information on our candidates (all we know is their history, and what they say in front of a mic.... pretty limited), it's pretty impossible to make a guess at what things that a politician says are true and which are false. so from an all logical standpoint, we have to believe everything that they say, until they prove themselves wrong.

Where is there a better system??????????? America continues to be the greatest country the world has ever seen. That could change with obamai.

Have you ever thought that a persons values, morals and integrity could be part of the decission making process?



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I say is should go by seniority.


age, not join date. :p

i don't know where there is a better one. i'm not saying that a better one is being used right now, but this could surely be improved upon. a lot. electoral college? give me a break.

person's values? so we aren't all equal? that sounds racist without even naming a race.

morals. ok, a better system could satisfy the need for the presence of morals. i don't know why saying that i want a better election system means that i don't want morals to be involved.

integrity. candidates demonstrate integrity when they make false claims? i treat each candidate like they do have integrity by believing what they say and not picking and choosing which claims are false

BUWAHAHAHA ^^^^^ america is a ****in joke right now dude, over 50% of the countries in Europe are kicking our ass in the economy and global relations/respect. we may still have the "strongest" military but its only thanks to advanced weapons technologies. and that just makes everyone else were even more of a bully. i have no problem with having a kick ass military but its being used for wrong reasons. well was, also for the war ending, they said this 2 years ago and instead increased troops. now the plan is to hopefully be done there fully by 2012. not a bad plan, but i'd rather sooner.


oh and btw obama is going to be the new president. the way all the poles are going taking into account electoral college and such he is going to win. unless he royally ****s up its how its going to end, so be prepared!

Speaking of politics, heres an awesome video! Snw and 2by2, check it out, you might learn something!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A

Yeah those same polls had Obama 5 points ahead of Hillary in California in the primary......and Hillary WON BY 10!!!! They don't mean crap. The only poll that matters is on November 4.

it kind of never was... our wonderful "founders" didnt add the bill of rights because they wanted to... they had to, to get the constitution passed

Hey if y'all don't like this country, you can always move to a repressive socialist country like Sweden or France. Oh wait.....if Obama wins, we WILL BE a repressive socialist country!!

that doesn't make sense. just cause the founding fathers didn't necessarily want the bill of rights doesn't mean the government was never for the people. it did get passed didn't it?

LoL first of all were talking about 2 diff kind of black people... this "hey im a black guy but im different, i play music" dude and the "true hip hop, i put on" black dude

but listen to him ***ALL HIS FAMILY WAS DEMOCRATS!!!!*** proves my point:106: listen from 2:40 though 3:05 and get back to me bro :)

and btw this guys gonna want to vote for obama when he finds out mccains anti gay cause this dudes obviously a fag...:paranoid:

and Ludacris had one U's a Hoe song and hes the devil? hes actually the most respectable rapper there is(way more than lil wayne or young jezzy)

why do you say this? because Obama says he will give poor people the same health care as high ranking goverment representatives get? quit beliving everything that FOX says and GET THE TRUTH MAN!!!!

Did you even listen to the whole video. Did you hear him explain WHY they're Democrats? Give it another listen, and get back to me....

And why is this guy gay? Because he disagrees with you? And since when is McCain "anti-gay"? You always know when a liberal loses an argument, they resort to insults....

sorry for the multi posts :(

it did get passed because the bill of rights was added to appease the people(kind of like all these add ons to the bail out plan, they are there to make one side or the other happy so they will vote for the bill)

Do you know what socialism is? its the redistribution of wealth. Sound familiar? When you're grown up and get a real job, lets see if you want your income redistributed to some dirtball who deosn't want to work. And LOL at a liberal telling me to "get the truth"!!!!

you dont get my point (my point is that black people "for the majority" will vote for obama because hes black the same way whites will vote for mccain)

and why is he gay, come one this dudes got a bleached gotee lol no that was just a joke i threw in there

but if you listened to palin they are anti gay relations and anti gay rights

and was thinking the same of rigth wing republicans

why do you not think i know what socialism is? did you even know its a term that came from social darwinism and is based on survival of the fittest .. you sound like a regular republican that thinks everyone is ignorant and should be put in there place

I do get your point but I don't know any McCain supporters who are voting for him because he's white. They're voting for him because of the issues. There are several black candidates I'd vote for (Colin Powell, Michael Steele, JC Watts, to name a few) but I disagree on the issues with Obama. Quit playing the race card dude!

first off, it wasn't there simply to appease the people, it was there because that was the condition that the federalists laid down. the federalists being one of the groups of the founding fathers no? either way, some officials wanted the bill of rights, some of them didn't want it. it still goes against your point to say that it's there because the people wanted it, because if it was, that's an example of the people playing a part in the government. by the people....

pot meet kettle! Dude you're the one that told me to "get the truth man". Sounds like a typical elitist liberal response to me....like the libs just know everything and us redneck Republicans need to be enlightened.
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you kind of didnt prove me wrong but ok im glad you know that the federalists were the ones that were for the people but the federalists were NOT in power during that time neither was it popular to be a federalist at that point

dude you live in illinois i live in georgia... kind of funny of you to say that considering your steryotype dosent even fit this situation

Yeah I'm supposed to be the liberal, you're supposed to be the conservative lol! Actually downstate Illinois is pretty conservative, its Chicago thats liberal (see snw...).