lol omg if the CONSERVATIVE board said McCain one that has to be true!!!! lol lol ROFL!!!! LMAO argh.... i cant believe you went there. McCain was having a sissy fit did you see him try to interrupt and roll his eyes and jump while obama just smiled always.... and all politicians lie, but do you know what was a lie? i like how obama says lets get the debate back on issues important to the american people and McCain goes, what about your friendship with bill ayers.... lol THERE was a huge mistake, apparently people in the audience have an approval dial in the audience of the debate and shit hit the negative fan on those dials when that happened, even they knew bill ayers "association" to obama is beating a dead horse thats useless... also, obama is better on the economy bottom line, has the most clear cut plan and most agreeable views, the only people that dislike his views are those that think their money is going to be taken from them, so the rich folk, and even then, hollywood stars and starlets seem to support obama even though they are being basicaly told they will get taxed more.... not record highs, just more.... idk. im starting to go off on a tangent but McCain fought his ass off for onse he was on the offense like crazy, but just didnt have the carisma, the views, or the defense to back it up..... thats why he lost, not by alot, but pretty clear cut. and why cant you trust media? their decisions come from a grading scale judged by a representative that was on site.... not the media itself and they are now starting to declare obama winner, yet again, obama obama obama.... all three times. and biden over palin. it doesnt mean that much just admit debate defeat. lol. ADMIT IT!!!! join us.....

holy crap. you can not just say candidates are lying because you think it's too good or you like it too much. everything you don't like that they say is true (as you say it) and everything you do like, they are lying. there is no way to tell

is there anywhere on line i can watch the debate? i missed it

No I'm not joining the mindless lemmings who have no idea how to think for themselves and swallow everything the media says. Won't happen! And Obama'a constant smiling creeped me out. Who's more likely to raise taxes? Obama! Who's more likely to not reduce spending? Obama! Who's most likely to tear down our military (like Clinton) and get us all killed? Obama! And its about time he brought up Ayers and ACORN. This is not "swiftboating" (A term liberals resort to because they think they're candidate is above being criticized), its something the American people should know and shows Obama has poor judgement about who he is associated with.

I thought the first two debates were close but McCain kicked ass this time (see I think for myself.....instead of listening to the media- who is TOTALLY in the tank for Obama). I thought Palin totally kicked Hair Plugs Biden's ass- and she didn't even lie 14 times like he did!

The bottom line is Obama is a TERRIBLE candidate and would be awful for this country. Unfortunately he has all his kool-aid drinking followers. I swear he's more like a cult leader than a Presidential candidate. Scary.....

Prolly torrent or youtube by tomorrow.

Obama!
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very scary!

Neither Obama or McCain can save us from.....

Duh Matrices!

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all i hear is "baaaaa" "baaaa" you conservative sheep! follow the leader. sorry but McCain is least likely to change SHIT i'd rather watch the wealthy's slight tax increase be redistributed through out the community than another 4 years of the same economic slump we have been in. sorry, but as far as a middle class citizen my life probably wont get any worse under either candidate, but obama has the most potential to improve it at least. as far as this country HAS been going though its going to take more than just one presidents efforts to fix. oh and funny you bring up the clinton administration again, seriously, we had higher taxes, but also one of the highest standards of life and respect among the world as well as an surplus at the end of his term.... we were FAR better off under him than bush. i hope you can at least admit that much....

i really hate this election system. there is so little that we can find out about the candidates. all we hear is i'll fix this and i'll veto this, but i want to hear: i'm going to call this bitch up and say i need a dozen flowers delivered here so that i can get on this dicks good side, so i can get him to.... you know. specifics.

you can find EVERYTHING about this election, you use outside resources published items and sources PRIOR to deciding to run for election. you can see what has really done. i honestly have probably done more research than anyone on here before i made my decision so for anyone to say "typical liberal" or "joining the crowd brain washed kid" BS is scavenging for excuses to i guess try to bring me down? idk but its sad when it comes to such relentless out bursts. im never going to let political shit effect what i think of any of you but idk... its just i guess disappointing to see the slander? instead of the facts that will help us....

Oh believe me....when I have kids. They will not walk all over me. And I will bring them up...as a Christian parent should. And I will put my foot down also. And will punish them..if they screw up. Don't anybody worry about that. I got the raising the kids thing covered. ;) As for being a juror....screw that. I have better things to do with my time. Besides...you don't get paid when you do jury duty. Because you had to miss work. That is mainly the big thing about it. Besides I don't even like going in a courtroom. I have been in my share of them. If I see another courtroom...it will be too soon.

Oh..Obama is the antichrist. And we don't need another stupid a$$ like Clinton was. I would like to know what good things. Clinton did in office...that weren't immoral or degrading. To make this country a laughingstock. If Obama does get elected. I will just act like I did when Clinton was in office. Who? I don't have a president. That is how it will be. If I still have my same freedoms. Anyway I will vote...like I should. And McCain and Palin all the way!

i think its kind of funny a conservative is calling liberals mindless lemmings... i belive you call that an oxymoron...

SportBikeMike... you sir are an oxymoron

i asume you think Bush was better than Clinton...

No Deficit > BIG ASS SPENDING DEFICIT!!!!!:075:

I think Clinton was a good president, I voted for him. He just got caught doing what a lot of presidents have been done. If you had Monica and Hillary in the same house which one would you ****?

Its the people of this nation that can bring the economy up. People need to start living within their means and take responsibility for their finances. Foreclosing on homes and filing bankruptcy after maxing out all their credit is what kills us all.

You basically get a tradeoff with government spending. Less spending means fewer public services. No politician can turn the budget around and provide all the funding we're used to. Something has to give... its called living within your means, something most people of this nation don't do themselves.

It is also that consumer spending that drives our economy... :D

If Obama is truely the anti-christ then there is nothing anyone can do to stop him from taking power. Not even a bullet to the head will kill him.

No thats called the truth. An oxymoron is when you put two words together that don't go together. For example: reasonable liberals or intelligent liberals.

And I see you've resorted to the tried and true liberal tactic of resorting to name-calling when you can't argue with facts.

I'm not a conservative "sheep", I think for myself and don't always go along with other conservatives. And no we weren't FAR better under Clinton than under Bush. As you might recall, we went into a recession in March, 2000- when Clinton was still President. Bush turned the economy around and it was pretty good through 2006- when the Dems took over congress it went down hill. Clinton basically appeased terrorists for 8 years....doing next to nothing about attacks on the WTC ('93), USS Cole, and American embassy in Africa...not to mention he had several opportunities to capture or kill bin Laden and didn't do it. Clinton also lowered the whole moral standards of the country (not that liberals would care about that), committed perjury and got impeached. And I, for one, could give a rats ass what other countries think of us!

Not much was known about Bin Ladin or Alcada during the Clinton admin but I remember when Oliver North testified at a Senate hearing that questioned his loyalty. He told them that Bin Ladin was a hugh threat to the US. They all laughed and said "who"? Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". He was a lawyer too. They know how to lie indirectly so they can say that's not what they meant. I had a **** buddy in the office not a relationship. Kind of like "working my way through Harvard law school". You might mean working the system, working your wife, or playing the black card.

mike.... shush! iv never met people so stubborn. you truley are you and mike pure republicans and i think thats the only reason for the hate, you have nothing nice to say about any democrat that ever held office nor running for office. and he got his weiner tugged on by some hoe that doesnt bother me. i wouldnt do it, but that isnt a reason to loose office. also, how ignorant of a statement dude, you could give a rats ass what other countries think about us? THATS ALL THAT MATTERS! we import and export sooo much to sustain our life style if we took your dumb ass view and lost all our foreign relations we would spiral into a Renaissance life style where the streets are covered in shit and we have to go back to riding horses.... everyone would be poor the economy would finish collapsing on itself and we would have no more fuels to run our power plants or our vehicles..... FAIL!

C'mon dude, I'm not in a good mood, some jackass in front of me slammed on their brakes and made me spill my 32 oz. Coke in my lap in the Tree Fiddy! I was just telling the truth about Clinton! Don't go casting stones when you live in glass houses because you're the same way.....you never say anything good about Republicans....its just bipartisan politics. And yeah, there have been a few Dems I've liked in the past, including Clinton, but I don't think he was as good as some Dems say he was. And he didn't get impeached because he got the BJ from Monica, he got impeached for lying under oath. And don't you think you're exaggerating a little bit about the other countries don't like us crap? I'm tired of arguing with you.....why don't you get off the internetz for awhile and go buy a Z?:075:

cause they eat money, and we cant survive without other countries. FACT

also, i supported bush over gore.... i've enjoyed both ends of the table. bush started to F-shit up and i supported was it kerry right? then he dropped out or some shit didnt he? i dont even remember a real vote taking place haha. but w/e

no i have tried to tell you the facts you just don't listen..... and i do belive it was the conservatives around here that started the name calling by calling Obama "The Anti-Christ"

so i see you have resorted to the tried and true conservative tactic of turning a situation around in a hypicritical and ignorant manor that makes no since and is not based on fact but soley whatever you think is right...:038: good job:D

You obama bin ladin followers will regret the day that you voted him in (if you do). I may take as long as to when you have children that ask you why they don't have the American way of life and freedom that they read about in history books.

oama is dangerous to the american way of live and if you had the life experiance and wisdom of mike you would understand. And you would not be making outlandish resopnses just to piss people off. Mike is trying to show you to the light. You are just trying to piss people off. Grow up.

Oh, the names you call me as a result of this post will not piss me off, so sorry. The names you call me could also be applied to you. Why not respond with out name calling, or are you not smart enough.

GROW UP

holy crap. i'm watching the debate and mccain said "why would we need to raise anybody's taxes?" he actually asked that question. i think it's obvious considering how filthy stinking rich the top 5% of tax payers are, and how big the deficit is right now.

i have one question... why is he dangerous?... did your friends at work tell you this... did you hear it on fox news, mabe on one of Mccains adds...

see you can say all of this stupid 3rd grade shit but behind it all there is no point, mabe you need to grow up

it dosent matter because Obama is "DANGEROUS!!!!"

Are you serious? His "spread the wealth" socialist views don't concern you at all? Or his associations with Ayers, Wright, Farrahkan, various Chicago gangsters, etc.? Wake up!

Thanks for the kind words, ZBRICK, but I'm through with this thread. These guys, snw and 2by2, have been indoctrinated by the public school system, and they refuse to think otherwise. Hopefully they'll learn otherwise when they get out and get a job and start paying taxes. I'm done....

:biggrin: dont just say spreading the wealth or ayers... give me exaples of how these make him dangerous

and btw you dont understand Obamas tax policy if you think its going to completely "redistribute the wealth"..

brb got to eat:biggrin: more on this later

he didn't say he's going to make us communist and make us all have equal incomes. he said the stupid rich people will get more taxes and the not so rich AND poor people will get cuts. it's not that big of a deal. stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. a little bit of that is a great idea, because some people are too rich. too much of it, makes it socialist. obama didn't say he was going to spread all the wealth.

just as long as those 'rich' are just the multi-millionaires then that's fine.

When you have a real job and credibility then we will talk politics. Otherwise the only reference point you have to life is what you learned in school or when you were on the streets, instead studying. Eventually you will grow-up and see how serious these issues are and that people pay to much in taxes now, but of course you have to have a job and real life responsibilities before that happens. You are making yourselves sound like have nots that are jelous of others and have to take from them because they are incapable of succeding on their own. (note i am not saying you are that way, i am saying you sound that way) Good luck to you, I can't help you until you want to be helped.

Your insults to Mike and others on this site are nothing short of disrespect. Ask Hoov about respect. He will tell you what it is like to grow up and be a man at a young age ----- compliments of the US Army.

Know I will NOT let any ones political views cause me to disrespect them and I will/do consider any of you my friend.

Like Mike, I am done with this, it has progressed to childs play.


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ummm... i go to a private catholic school so suck my ass! and what chicago gangsters? that has never been an issue!!!! ayers is a washed up 60-70 year old UIC professor! HES SUCH A HUGE THREAT!!!! OMG OMGZ.... mike, do you realize what your doing, your being a terrorist.... trying to incite fear in others, definition. TERRORIST! afraid of obama because of ayers a man he talked to that hasn't done anything illegal since the 60's when obama was 8 years old in Hawaii? OMGZ. ACORN a program sent out to insight voter registration when obama supported it till it turned to voter fraud. thats hwy it was started to try to get more people to vote it was then used for wrong. not obama's fault. not anyone but acorns fault itself. and socialist views!!!! i am sorry but if people making 250K a year cant swing a like 5% tax increase its cause they are greedy. top 5% don't see a tax cut, 250k a year and more get a tax increase, anyone in between stay the same.


you "men" are the childish ones, as far as I'm concerned I've used nothing but peaceful words and facts 2by2 has done a couple childish things but he's 16 years old, you guys are the ones using propaganda and slander against a man. its ridiculous. you sir, are using terrorist methods. look it up.



also brick, i don't take advice from middle aged guys that have the spelling and grammar levels of a 5th grader. use some spell check lol.



i'd like you all to take a time out. better yet. can we get this thread locked? and new forum rule, no more politics debates because its obvious there is to much testosterone flowing through here to have a civilized discussion about it.

you can't say that you won't talk politics with someone because they haven't had a "real" job yet. if they are old enough to vote, they are certainly worth discussing politics with.

I'm not touching this one. It simply doesn't belong in this forum.

niether do pics of firebirds:biggrin:

:paranoid::eek::paranoid::eek:!!!!

oh no you did not!

yeah im not old enough to vote but i have had a REAL job no matter which way you look at it (although it might not be a career) how do you think i payed for my $2100 car and the $250 air dam, $200 worth of tires, and a small but good $100 sound system and gas so i can drive to school everyday?(EDIT: and oh yeah this $450 computer)I work my ass off durring the summer for Barfield Painting (yes the family buissness) so i have a little insight like "Joe The Plumber" when it comes to small buissiness... i work around 8 hours a day on week days or untill the job is finished(usually while having to go to several job sites the same day so we are not in the way of the electricians and pppplumbers) this shit is manual labor not whatever you do in your office so i might have a little more respect for where my money will be going than you if thats where you were headed(all be it i dont pay taxes but i do understand the responsibility)

and do you understand Obamas tax policy? it only applies to people making over 250k and then the 39%(only larger by 4% than the standard rate i believe) tax rate is applied ONLY to the money made after the 250k(the 250k is not touched) not a drastic as you may think but if your neting over 250k a year 4% or so is not going to ruin everything you have worked oh so hard for.


WHOOPS just read your post SNW ok its locked unless zbrick or SBM want to respond but if this thread should be closed lets do it...

i know we all wanted this to stop but seriously guys, watch this from a purely comedic side i almost pissed my pants!

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ce362825bd


seriously, no one take it to heart just funny... seriously... its really funny...


oh and also, did some research into the acorn scandals... turns out it was jsut a bunch of homeless people using fake names stuffing ballots that were approached by acorn and told to register... scandal closed.

'ooh, I just died for a moment. Glad to be back"

:D

snw, take some advice from the senior member and just shut the fck up while your ahead. nobody on here is going to change there minds because of what you say.

hoov... so misinterpreted. im not trying to bring anyone to my side. im trying to DEFEND MY ****ING DECISION, which making a decision, my right as not only an american but a human being, which some people seem to not approve of.... so you can remain the senior member of that shut the **** up club. once again... read the last couple posts by me. and trust me i have been in the "crap stuff something in your mouth and stop talking" club myself, but right now, this wasn't one of those. so im pretty oblivious as to what makes you think otherwise

oh shit. them fightin words.

Those are fighting words...lol I own a '75 Firebird. And she is a mean car..:wink:

I absolutely agree with you man. It has got out of hand. And the name calling is childish. I am through contributing to this chaotic thread. :075:

this is the evil thread... last night snw was all for closing it but someone had to say something

btw that video may be the funniest thing i have seen all year

Now lets all make up with a big group hug! :icon_pai: