go have another drink snw and let the grown ups talk!

 

And it get's more gay...

I am off for some drinks now...
Here I come Glenlivet.

 

TOF i have one question, how you answer this determines your level of speaking privileges in this thread...


what is the purpose of the intercooler? (and WTF does a BOV have anything to do with an intercooler???)

 

are you asking me what the purpose of any intercooler is or what mine(if i made it) would be?

 

if your intercooler has any other purpose then what a normal intercooler does, then its not an intercooler (and a water to air intercooler has already been done too TOF)

 

i know and it's supposed to do the same thing except for super easy instillation and will prevent heat soak

 

A nice bag of ice will do the same thing... and costs A LOT less than liquid nitrogen.

 

i guess but what about dry ice?

 

hey nismo, do you see a problem with running a MAF after the intercooler, to get the temp of the air that actually entering the motor, as opposed to getting all the hot air?

 

expensive..

 

well it's still in the works.

 

I've seen setups with the MAF in the ic line, but I don't know if they have adjusted the ECU. If the air speed & pressure isn't calculated, it would probably work.

 

almost every piece of turbo hardware has been around for almost 50 years and you think you are going to create something in 5 days? im sorry, but you will have to spend more then 20 years of your life developing something worthwhile, AFTER the initial 15 years of college to fully understand how this **** works, and im not just saying that to you, but to everyone, you just arent going to randomly sprout something that has never been done before, unless you re-engineer miniature exploding black holes as a weapon of mass destruction, theres no nice way to put, the computer has done all of the work for us.

 

like a z31 MAF?

 

I don't remember right off hand what cars they were. I think it's more common w/ the supercharged Ford Mustangs.

 

i just like the idea of the MAF measuring the air when it actually goes into the motor, as opposed to it being measured, then going through the turbo, then the intercooler.

 

I agree. The ECU is programmed for ambient air.

Oh... most Corvette TT packages use the MAF after the IC. I'm sure there is some ECU tweaking for this.

 

but then isnt the air temp measured by the MAF what the computer will use to (plus various other sensors) calculate fuel, so it would be using the air temp measured before the turbo and IC and be making adjustments for that temp, instead of whats actually going in the motor..



but i guess all this can be overcome by simply using MS or nistune and tuning the damn thing yourself.

 

If it is a normal MAF, where you place it before or after the aftercooler is not all the important. It works off the amount air flow going through it. Back to Bernoulli's law.
The office in this case it the TB.
I think if one were to put a pressure sensor on both the intake and released side of the intercooler the pressure difference would be negligible.
The airflow itself would be almost identical except for perhaps turbulence on the intake or release side of the intercooler because it is being forced from the turbo, and controlled by the TB.
The position of a temperature sensor is important for the systems to calculate the air density itself.
I would think it would be more efficient to put the MAF right before the TB and after the intercooler, but in the end, I don't see it making that big of a difference.
This is something I would like to see on an actual dynomometer.

 

a couple people tried it on z31's and didnt really notice a difference except except for it made it easier to use an open BOV.

 

if this is a z31 yer messing with it WILL blow up.leave her stock..ice is great--listen to pick.....

 

are you shittin me zhag? my 88 loved boost, i swear i had better A/F's at 10lbs then i did at stock boost, can't say the turbo liked it though, but thats why cummins invented the holset HY series, but damn do the z31's need IC's bad though.

 

it dosen't any more hoov. i fixed that problem soon after i got the car.
and why are the z31 injectors top and side fed? is that normal?

 

there wasnt a problem with the A/F's at stock boost, well atleast according to the wideband, the problems consisted of a blow cat, the lower rear shock mounts being held on by 1 bolt, bad battery leads/connectors, brake system needed rebuilding, bad grind into 1st from a bad clutch, ontop of fact that the left rear corner of the car was cut off and re-welded back on, oh TOF you would love to see how much crap was ghetto rigged on that car, by the previous owner..

 

hoov--you are an exception---so are few others who actually know what they are doing. the ones --you know them----they mess with them and foul the systems making the z31 unpopular....they blow them up....see what the kid did already------he wont listen---he gonna blow it up
watch........my z31s were better stock than modded---the air filters made 'em run hotter by blocking air flow---had to return the original bits for 'em to work well.....then--no problem.....
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