snwbrderphat540

why...send me a plane ticket

veyenyl

Have you taken that beast through Nurburgring yet? Next time I'm in Germany, I'm definatley taking a rental to the ring.

emo236

yes I do, buy me a plane ticket.

snwbrderphat540

you repeat me??? how dare you.... lol.... yeah have the military fly us out there...

wreckedj30

As long as my car can go too. Then we'll see whos the king of z's. No you'll beat my ***, but i would still get to drive the bahn. Sorry snow, you no go. Cause you don't have a z. jk

js9krcr01040

I would love to bring over some Z guys mit Z's. I have not had the pleasure of hanging out with a bunch of Zs yet. I have not taken her to the Nurburgring yet. Its about a 4 hour drive and I am afraid of something breaking being that far away. Maybe Spring.

jfairladyz

And that my friends, is the down fall (along with price) of the Z32TT

emo236

LMAO! Tuchae! (sp?)

CanyonCarver

touché......................

gogriz91

I'm a diehard S30 fan. It's tough to beat the styling, performance and upgrade friendly 1st gen cars.

S130's, great parts source, heavy...a sportscar with power everything and t-tops???? That's a boulevard cruiser in my book.

Z31, just didn't take. Seems like these guys are in the outcast line next to the Z33 bubbas.

Z32, great performance and the TT is a poor mans supercar...just not poor enough.

Z33, love it or hate it Nissan is selling a buttload of them and the aftermarket parts manufacturers are going nuts supporting the thing and for the price, it has great performance. Young adults are in love with this car and many a college student wants to get rid of their Honda and upgrade to a Z. Any of that ring a bell with previous generations?

I read a comparison back in the 80's that says it for me and the 1st gen cars. It was in Car and Driver or something like that and it was between a built 240 and a then new Z31. Both were comparable in performance with certain categories going to the 240 and others to the Z31. The driver aptly pointed out though that in the Z31 on course it seemed like he was just guiding the car through its paces whereas with the 240 for it to perform he had to push his skill. The S30 driving experience rewards the driver who can best use their driving skill to push the limits like no Z built since. (If it's any consolation to the other generation cars they couldn't complete the test because the 240's water pump went out, which should ring a bell with 1st gen owners again)

js9krcr01040

I dont know about all that. I would say Supercar. So wouldnt all the Porsches and Ferrari that died

Its not that the car breaks alot (or at all *knock on wood*) Its just that I am a maintenance freak. I get nervous. Same thing with gas, wont go below a half if I can help it.

veyenyl

lol....I won't go over half if I can help it.

gogriz91

For the money, the TT Z32 plus $5-10K in mods gives performance that is comparable with cars that cost a third as much or more. That being said, I think it's pretty much accepted Nissan priced themselves out of the market with it.

Heat Rave R

Well, it wasn't just Nissan. All the other competitors disappeared around that time for the same reason: Toyota Supra and Mazda RX7. The era of the cheap fixer-upper Honda/Acura then dawned, further showcasing how expensive these big sports cars were by comparison.

snwbrderphat540

cost are third as much or more???? are you sure you phrased that right gog???? i think you menat three times as much or more at least i hope.....

gogriz91

I never priced a Porsche or a Ferrari because I couldn't afford a TT Z32 so why bother. I guess I was trying to give those commie Marques a break.

bjhines

I am in the market for a 308 or a 328... But it WILL NOT be a track car... It will be a cruiser... $30k for a nearly 30 year old car... parts are almost nonexistant, It is a rolling work of art NOT a track toy...

The S-30 on the other hand... now that is a track car... It is one of the best choices for someone who likes to get their hands dirty and drives it like they stole it... Consider that the 240Zs all came with the same performance... you pretty much chose color and everything else was aftermarket dealer-installed options... There are no "rare" versions... one 240Z is pretty much like every other 240Z except for the amount of rust it is carrying around... I can hit a tire wall and simply bolt another swap-meet fender on in a weekend for the cost of paint and sandpaper... I have a garage and a workshop full of 240Z parts that were mostly free... try that with a Ferrari 308... ONE fender will cost you THOUSANDS of $$$ and it will likely have some road rash and corrosion... I have been told that you need 2 Ferraris to keep one running...

God_Zilla24

Let me school the class . Why do think the z31 is so restricted for power ? well guess what if you do your home work you'll find that this block supports 1000hp all the parts produced in this turbo model were made for speed with just an 3inch full exhaust, intake, Boost controller, Intercooler an fuel pressure regulator im pushing an additional 120hp on top of my stock 205 at 14.5 psi on this stock T25 Turbo this is with out cams 35hp/ bigger turbo 45hp +/ injectors 15hp +/ upgraded fuel pump/ even an electric fan 10 to 15 additional hp due your home work girls the Z31 in japan is known as the BEAST it's legendry design an secrets were restricted by U.S. emissions for a reason. Now the jspec stock z31 engine comes with 230hp in japan VGET 230hp to the U.S. emissions 205 for 87-89 200hp 84-86. Why didnt the z31 come with a intercooler ? Because it doesnt need one the purpose of a intercooler if you know your **** is to lower the temp basically in the manifold there for lowering the pressure take for instance you have a z31 boosting 15psi now add a intcooler to the z31 an theres a 2 degree pressure drop depending on what type of intercooler you have so now the 15psi is 13 or 12.5psi efficently packing a quicker punch an lowering the detonation level of the setup ? There's no limit to this car's potential that's why the parts are SO EXPENSIVE $$$$ but if you have the right connections as far as customization $$ cutting corner's is the way to go. Dont get me wrong my first love was the Z32 an alway's will be but ask any body in Orlando on the local street scene Godzilla will line up with any Z32, Z33, 240, 280 it dont matter Domestic's can get it 2 in a heart beat from the dig 3rd gear will shock you or hwy the Z31 is BEAST.

RodMoyes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Double posting is lame. You posted the exact same thing in the Z31 forums. If you want to make your point, choose one thread and back up what you're trying to imply with some credible evidence.



Rod.

bjhines

#6 piston will burn if ANYTHING is the slightest bit off on mixture control...

It is one thing to say that a block will put out 1000HP.... It is COMPLETELY another thing to put that on track for 30 minutes and WATCH IT BURN!!!

I like to DRIVE a car... not wait in line all day for 14 seconds of fun...

The ZX models got fat... <REALLY FAT>
They are Pony Cars... not sports cars...

frank280zx

Bring it on!! a z32 will always be to heavy and i have been tailing fully build TT's (500ish to the wheels) on track even with my N/A .. Given i have some suspension mods .. but weight will kill your times period. And i have to say that the twin drives i have met on track sofar might not have been the best pilots .. however a built s30 or s130 doesn't have much weight difference between them ( apart from an early 240 that is) and will beat the heavier car in my book. and i haven't been proven differently.

And if the semi-trailingarm is so bad .. explain me how m3's and 911 where competing that good .. to be hounest i like em better..

In my car i have the solid mounting busings, nylon struts bushings with a set of adjustable konis on a 175 Springs.. my squad is not that bad, and actually it helps me get trough a corner faster as it plants the *** in on my slicks...

I looked at e30's allot as e30's over here are over competitive .. The set up to control camber is relatively complex and expensive.
Moving the degree of the sweep angle (angle of the rear sub-frame compared to straight. In a s130 this comes down to ~14 degrees as far as i recollect to the Say between 10 and 12 degree sweep angle ( As the M3 group a and B cars had) is that the rear suspension will have less camber and toe change as the suspension travels.

To be honest i like trailing arms better than a arms.. probably since i' m used to them from driving e30's and a souped up 914 powered bug and naturally my z's they are more stable in corners for my taste ( or better more predictable for me)
More so than my experiences in s30's (this maybe tells more about those s30's haha)

But also note that this is not necessarily desirable. You do want some gain in negative camber as the suspension compresses to compensate for chassis roll in cornering. It would be nice if it did not change during acceleration and braking but that is tough to achieve. Some small amount of toe-in as the outside rear wheel compresses in cornering is also nice, as it adds a bit of rear-end stability.

frank280zx

Hahah when do we meet up!

2Fast4U

I own a Z32 and so far I have out ran and out performed all that have tried to get in my way.The Z32 has proven that it is the top ( Z ) of all times.In fact since the z32 was last produced the Z badge should have been retired due to its performance and track record. There will never be another Z like the Z that was the Z32!!!!!!!!!!!!!

snwbrderphat540

hmmm, i have a feeling after reading this. but anyways go make a off topic post and introduce your self tell us about your car and post some pictures 2fast4u

bjhines

I simply must reiterate that the Z32TTs are NOT CAPABLE of reliably running on a typical HPDE road course(without a factory engineered RACE engine package). I saw the mangled evidence that we lost another(number 5 in 12 months) Z32TT in Jan. at an HPDE. Two of these cars have had new engines installed to various degrees of modification and FAILED again, Spectacularly.

They are not capable of running reliably under full power for long periods of time in FACTORY STOCK condition. There is a luandry list of modifications that must be made to simply run one on track at stock boost. Pull the core plug from behind cylinder number 6, You will see what I mean.


I like air-conditioning, stereo, heated leather seats, peppy engine, etc. that is why I bought a Honda Pilot. It will easily beat my track 240Z through the stoplight, But the 240Z is much more fun to drive. I don't get my daily duty mixed up with my playtoys. It's like crapping where you eat.

Given the reliability problem alone, Z32TTs are shitty cars for driving enthusiasts. The NAZ32 cars do not have enough power to outweigh their biggest problem, they are fat, heavy biatches. They are nice cruisers. I have to give them that.



Here is some more sports car fun. I can beat the S-30 day after day after day. Parts are cheap, EASY TO REPLACE, and often free if you go for the less desirable stuff.

I hate this track, beats the hell out of car and driver. Plus it usually only gets me about 3 hours of tire life. I can easily kill a set of brand new RA1s in one full weekend.




VIR is always fun. Except the track temps never got above freezing. Listen to the decending howl the tires make on hard braking, and the howling around corners. That is cold race rubber making those noises. I don't hear that very often. To put this video in perspective, This is a 2:26 lap around VIR full. This beats the times for BOTH of the cover cars on Sports Compact Car's last edition. The cars were the Autobacs ASM S2000 and the Dent Sport 240RS MAXI. They posted times of 2:28 and 2:27 respectively. I beat the S-2000 by 2 seconds and I still have stock struts, drum brakes on the back and the original L-24 engine with a 4 speed. That should tell you something about why the original Z badge still has meaning in motorsports. The s-2000 was a $50,000 buildup. My 240Z costs roughly $7000 in current prep. and I can smack their *** in passing. A Z32NA would never break 2:30 laps without full race prep or an engine swap for a V-8.




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