z-hag

sugah----usofa setup sodom to be president because we didnt like the sheik. we then decided we did a bad by putting the sodom---NOT sadam(great one, literal translation) into orifice, and decided to take him out by msking up lies and disinformation so the peeps of the usa would not be anti-bush until the kid came along to really mess the whole world up. the words you read in yor social studies and alleged history classes is NOT the story the folks living thru it will remember, as the programming of or little minds has been in practice for a loooong time--subliminal ads used in the 50s were outlawed, so other forms were introduced into your schoolbooks----you are only taught that which the powers that be allow to be taught since the 40s..... get real, oh great naive ones.........geee ez, the dummying of america has worked wonders for our youth and their knowledge base, or lack thereof........

snwbrderphat540

he's actually pretty light, like me, a proper mix. ive been reading on his views and niether are strong liberal of conservative. like abortion polocies. voted no on late-term abortions, but also no on were parents need to concent to their children getting an abortion. currently in illinois where he served (booyah) one parent needs to be informed and thats it. lol.

read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama




and z-hag, i know thats what i said, we set him in there, give him weapons then decide against what we did, there for we started the war, let him go. nothing naive about those facts. i dont listen to the news so i cant get crap from them, i do my own research when i care or get taught threw non biased parties like school and text books! lol. i remember seeing a video where we once could go to iraq like it was a normal vacation spot (looked like a 60-70's era dont remember) and it looked fun. oh what happened to those days. lol.

z-hag

abortion has NO place in politics. the roe v wade deal was ORIGINALLY a bill designed to allow females to go to see their personal physician WITHOUT THE CONSENT AND DIRECT APPROVAL of their husbands and/or fathers.....get real.....before the bill causing the r v w decision by the supreme court, females needed the express permission of their father or husband in order to have a doctors checkup. nothing to do with abortions until that was added just before passing of the bill........sneaked in.....but it was an important step----closet abs were killing many females, and there was no recourse in the face of rape-induced pregnancy. would you really like to go back to those days?????

i believe your potential gf would have something to say about that. no, the rights of women to do as they need to do with their bodies is not a political issue. never was....not after the permission has been granted .........
therapeutic abortion is something that is up to the woman involved and the doctor involved and is NOT a political issue. get over it ......

and the text books are not safe to read---i remember when the text books were changed for my son's 3rd grade classes-----rewritten so the facts were changed to become more politically correct dfor the day......namvets came home as criminals. women were not allowed top see an md without their father's or husband's signature and presence in the md office.....second class citizens---slaves were more citizens than were women. there are many things i remember from reality that have been changed for the new text books....all propaganda.....that is how the dummying of america is and has been done.....IN SCHOOLS and IN WRITING taught to our children----denying the realities that actually happened in our past. changing things so usa looks good.....do not believe everything you read in the libe or in text books written after 1966........the world changed in 1967......some good some bad.....we are propagating the bad and calling it good------that is the difference. and we as a country think we need to be the world's police-----we need to get the fawk outta wherein we haVE NOSED IN TO AND LEAVE THE TRIBAL oops warfare to the tribes and take care of the crap we have at home-----
[/and HITLER-Y is NOT the politician to do anything positive in this country or for this nation----neither is obama/osama, the muslim who has dealings with the bad muislim factors from the middle east........


and if the 12 yr old girl was raped and didnt want mommy an ddaddy to know and went for an abortion, as an rn, i would talk with her for a long time, let her think about it for a few minutes and NOT REFUSE HER OR ask her to call her parents foe permission. she NEEDS to be safe and not burdened involuntarily with something that will for the long run destroy her life and body. let her have the damn surgery if she is strong enough to handle it----counselling is a very cool advantage---not all mommies and daddies can handle that reality---the rape of their baby kid girl. they do not necessarily need to foul the girls mind.or life. let her live.

and, snowy---you are a victim, not a bad guy, ok-----victim of the dummying and propagaNDIZING OF THE AMERICAN YOUT'

snwbrderphat540

do you read anything i post z-hag? anything? or just assume? and obama is a christian. his father that left him before he know him wasa musslim raised but athiest by practice african american. your racist. no offense, but thats what you are comming off ***. hilary has never once stated clear views on any issue, obama has done more things than any other senator so far in illinois in his service years. and as just a senator before even thinking about presidency in both the british jounal seen as 1 the 10 people that could change the world, him being the only politician, and also in time for being in the list of "the worlds most influential people". he also organized the largest anti-war rally twice, and just out of donations raised the most money and in also the most in a 6 month period 16 million of it comming from just the gerneral public because of the good he has done for us. he supports the method of making sure large corporations cnat evade or get less taxes, no loop holes, and the general public gets less taxation due to this. he keeps things fair.

he supports abbortion!!!! READ!!! he doesnt support late term abbortion! he doesnt support consented abortion, just informed! READ! i know you can read. i think that if you are irresponsible enough to get pregnent you should have to tell at least one parent you messed up, if you were raped, i dont think you ahve anythign to hid from either of your parents as far as being pregnant.


and trust me, text books today are "politically correct" where they say african american instead of black yes. but they touch both facts, the groups that rallied against nam vets even though they as soldiers did start the war! and their sid as how they served there. i even saw a video where they smoked pot from a gun. public schools dont hide truth luckily. and agree'd abortion should be up to just the people, but at the same time, leave freedom to abort when ever, you have more people having careless sex, there has to be SOME one over seeing thigns, and obortion will never NOT be an issue in politics for as long as there's people in the public rallying pro-life or pro-choice.


i like you z-hag your fun to have around, but i think your being a bit ignorant to some of the other facts/my postings and just scanning them and deducing your own conclusion.

NismoPick

Ibtl!!!!!!!!

Bleach

dag.... my 4 year old was learning letters and playing with dolls while you were interested in the Clinton campaign
not to mention you turned 4 at the end of 1991

snwbrderphat540

wasnt interested at all. i was a delinquint. im just saying, i remember. it was kindergarten!!! or was it montesaurri school? meh. w/e

WildmaN

I'm sorry, but I can't hold back. Anybody that is a REAL Christian. Would NOT support ABORTION. It is plain murder, no matter the circumstance. God creates life, and we have no right to take it. Unless it is war, or our life is threatened. Only reason to do so. My 2 cents...

snwbrderphat540

you pro-life wildman? seee, now though i cant agree with the extreme view like zhag has where you should be able to abort where ever whenever just because, im DEFINATLY pro-choice, and just to see guys even take teh side of pro-life is pretty upsetting because we will never know what its like and its not our body, life, or mind that suffers from it. only time we get crap is child support and the initial "im pregnant" talk.

funny thing, ive been watching degrassi: the next generation (this is true in most canadian films even) and being canadian im pretty sure abortions are come as you please leave as you want tel who you want we dont care. and it also seems like every other chick is getting pregnant in canandian movies/shows dealing with teens. lol. thats my only issue, is that that much freedom people become careless and, well, *****. lol. canada is still cool with me. and he's actually a wierd christian. i forget which kind. andi think you can be anything you want if you have faith, no one person can say you cant be this because of this practice. god is full of forgiveness and as long as you want to be forgiven, you will be.







oh, and god doesnt create life imho, we do, chromosome's and cellular mitosis. biology....




AND...................... LET THE PRO-LIFE/CHOICE FIGHT COMMENCE!!!!!!

WildmaN

Just remember, what it says in the Ten Commandments. Which our country was founded upon. Thou Shalt Not Kill. There are no exceptions to this rule. And no other way around it. As I said before...Unless in war, or because your life is threatened.

And in my belief....If God didn't create life, where did we all come from? To me ....God is the breath of life. We came from the dust of the ground. Him breathing in our nostrils.

Now this is turning into a religious/belief discussion. So I am going to drop it now. I can get real irrate ,when it comes to beliefs. Politics are bad enough to hash over. Both of them, can be a war waiting to happen. Just one more thing...

I was born in a Republican background. So that is what I am voting for. Of course...I research who they are and such. So if McCain is the only one for the Rebublican side. So be it....He seems to be pretty decent. Now I am finished.

RodMoyes

Since IBTL barely, I just want to take this opportunity to say...

Snwy, you are politically retarded.


God night now!


Rod.

SportBikeMike

I'm pro-life also. Even John F'n Kerry admits that life begins at conception. It always been bewildering to me that the bleeding-hearts will protest the death penalty yet have no problem with abortion. So I guess, the life of a convicted murderer is more valuable than the life of an unborn innocent baby??

snwbrderphat540

baby yes, zygote, no. not real life imo yet. once it has fingernails though, different story, thats why i dont support the late term stuff. that IS killing. and politcally rtarded? no, not really, course im not good at politics, i just listen to all the candidates and see which one best agree's with my views. but honestly, i think any single one of these people running will be better than bush. oh and rod, i have a feelin you just read my early posts, about the simple republican/democratic trash statements, and ill give to that, it was ignorant, ill tatsefully apologize for that. if you got other problems with my actuall logic and researched based statements, then we gots a prob. lol

SportBikeMike

Yeah snw, Hillary or Obama would be an improvement over Bush....especially if you like high taxes, big government, federalized health care, and throwing in the towel in Iraq....

johnZboy

Be it Clinton, or, Obama whoever gets the nomination, vote one into office.

As a conservative (not the same as a Republican) I see the USS America is about to sink. If the ship is going down it will help future conservatives if they can blame it on the Socialist (Dimocrats) who were at the helm when the bow went under.

It's been a good ride.

RodMoyes

Interstingly enough, it tends to be the Conservative "Christian" "Pro Life" camp that openly advocates and pursues the Death Penalty...


Rod.

snwbrderphat540

we should throw in the towel in iraq cause we dont belong there. obama at least knows you can totally withdraw troops though right away. structure. also, dude, you know how long obama has been in office for us in illinois? he's done alot for us, i cnat think of a single thing thats gotten worse, only better in illinois. actually, there was one thing, i remember complaining about something..... but i forget what it was now. MEH! and we shouldnt talk about abortion, thats to controversial of a topic that effects peoples emotions and beliefs, only hurt will come from that argument. everything else, fair game

SportBikeMike

Dude, what has Obama done for Illinois? He's a US Senator....he doesn't even work for the state of Illinois. As far as we shouldn't be in Iraq.....thats your opinion....

snwbrderphat540

sigh, still no one reads. im starting to think theres to many people out there that dont research the people they plan to vote for nore their competition

A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, University of Chicago lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office and serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. After an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, he announced his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2003

SportBikeMike

Well....lets hear some details.....what has he done for the state of Illinois?


I'm waiting.....



<crickets chirping>

Bleach

I hate to say it, but I agree...

snwbrderphat540

well if you can ask that question, fair is fair, what has he done bad?


im waiting.....


<crickets chirping>

SportBikeMike

Hey I asked first!

snwbrderphat540

blah blah blaaaahhhh. 2 year old


taxes went down, min wage went up. thats all i can think of off the top of my head, but i got my own school work to do to research obama's deeds when serving IL.

snwbrderphat540

no what i just realized, obama being black, hilary being a woman, they will prolly get assasinated if elected. you guys ruined politics for me. i dont even care anymore. im not voting now. ill stick to planes, extreme sports, racing and economics thank you very much.