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00Evan 01-28-2005 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by rizzspeed
it could be done for under 5K if you bought a front clip and did all the work yourself.
But most ppl are unable/unwilling to do the work themselves.


Have you done it? I've done it and it cost me over $5k

90NA300ZX 01-28-2005 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by WhtFairLadyZ
you can crank the boost up that high, but only after you run a higher octane gas. The knock index of pump gas wont handle it unless you do some other work. Atleast thats what John at Z1 told me


what octane do you recommend? the highest i see around here where i live is 93...which is all i was planning on using any way, it's all i've ever used in my zx, when it was NA...are you referring to that gas or should i go somewhere special to get higher than that?

allmotor300z 01-28-2005 09:14 AM

what is an hks alc II? and what does it do for an n/a z32

ZXDude90 01-28-2005 09:28 AM

Wow this thread is three years old... Oh well, if you have an automatic transmission the ALC controls the line pressure inside your transmission and gives you crisper, harder shifts.

90NA300ZX 01-28-2005 09:57 AM

want a better plan? save up for another year, and make your first big mod job the most important...all the stuff you listed is unnecessary...do it all after you...CONVERT TO TT...i got my na back in june and coulda done all that shit to take my zx from 22 crank to about 250 crank...woohoo...i'd rather do the swap, and a boost controller, and put 300 to the wheels lol

tangeray 01-28-2005 10:20 AM

I'm pretty good with electronics/soldering/PCB's. So if its like what I'm thinking, then it sounds like its just going to be dirty, maybe some internal wire showing, and maybe some stretching.

~I was thinking it would be easier and cheaper for me to resheath or repair the damaged wire. That could save me like 250-300 bucks. But I could be wrong. Im new to the 300zx, I've never owned one, and The biggest maintenence I've ever done to a car was suspension work by myself. So i'm open with all ears to you guys....let me know what you think

~Tangeray

tangeray 01-28-2005 10:24 AM

Wow,,,thanks allot Rizz, Those really helped out allot...

~Tangeray

b300z 01-28-2005 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by 00Evan
Have you done it? I've done it and it cost me over $5k

not everyone buys their stuff and does it the same way as you. if i remember right you also had problems with yours

00Evan 01-28-2005 10:39 AM

ok keep thinking its only gonna cost $2k, then i'll laugh when you're selling your shit cause you cant afford it

b300z 01-28-2005 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by My Fairlady Z
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say they were going to do a TT conversion, though how many times have you actually seen it? My point made...

isnt that what your sig says on 3zc fairlady? soon to be a TT?

if you dont want to have any problems with the wiring harness and have to replace it again, get a new one.

b300z 01-28-2005 10:52 AM

either pay attention more, dont talk, or go away

he said under 5000....

CanyonCarver 01-28-2005 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by b300z
either pay attention more, dont talk, or go away

he said under 5000....

:doh: :doh:

tangeray 01-28-2005 11:40 AM

Yea...After reading the threads that Rizz linked me to (thanks again Rizz :) ), I think im leaning more towards shelling out the cash for a new one. I saw some pictures of some old ones , and it chilled my soldering iron!.

~~soooo, Cheapest new one? any takers?

~Tangeray

Riz Z Speed 01-28-2005 11:46 AM

new what???

00Evan 01-28-2005 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by WhtFairLadyZ
It cant cost that much for me to do it. I ve got two complete cars sitten outside already. 2500 at the most is what i ve estimated. But thats with minimal upgrades, me doing all the work. With help from a FEW good buddies.


Maybe you should pay attention big boy

00Evan 01-28-2005 12:29 PM

TT and NA wiring harnesses are exactly the same except for the TT has extra connectors for boost solenoids. If you just get a electronic boost controller right away you dont have to worry about this and can use the NA harness.

-00Evan

b300z 01-28-2005 12:55 PM

duh rizz, a wiring harness


Originally Posted by00Evan
TT and NA wiring harnesses are exactly the same except for the TT has extra connectors for boost solenoids. If you just get a electronic boost controller right away you dont have to worry about this and can use the NA harness.
...and a third option

id probably go with that one

b300z 01-28-2005 12:58 PM

hes swapping the engines from his TT to his slicktop, so he wont have to spend any money except for stuff he wants/needs to replace

tangeray 01-28-2005 05:05 PM

:hpydance: Cheapest new wiring harness? Price check~~ and whats a decent brand to get. I dont need the top performance stuff,,,,just something to get by with

~~Tangeray

My Fairlady Z 01-29-2005 12:53 AM

Search forums or ebay, perhaps post that you want a N/A wiring harness in the "Wanted" section.

My Fairlady Z 01-29-2005 12:56 AM


Originally Posted by b300z
hes swapping the engines from his TT to his slicktop, so he wont have to spend any money except for stuff he wants/needs to replace

Maybe if you hung around the site more and read some threads 00Evan, you'd know that. Oh well, anyway..it's all :blah: to me until he does it. People do have different ways of accomplishing things and if I'm correct he should be able to do it for much cheaper then you considering he doesn't have to buy a TT engine or the front clip...

91NAZ 01-29-2005 01:59 PM

this is an old post..but I was cruising the forum ...anyway... I have asked the same question..and the same answer I get...If you want more HP get a turbo. I have heard that its not worth the cost and the headaches to do a conversion. Get a tt then you have a solid platform for mods.

WhtFairLadyZ 01-29-2005 10:55 PM

K i ve been one for a few days, and u guys have taken this subject and really ran with it. Evan, from what i ve found out is that other than replacing such items lik the main engine wiring harness and a few other odds and ends. Everything I have on the TT car can be switch into my N/A chassis. The only other item that will cost me is what the guy charges me to weld the IC brackets in place. Since both engines and trannys are good, I will not need to repair or repalace anything. I do know I will probably break a few bolts or tear a few rubber hoses. But thats expected. But the biggest advantage i have right now, is that I have no set deadline. I m working at my own pace, and I am in no rush. THATS how u make mistakes...which will raise the price for the swap.

WhtFairLadyZ 01-29-2005 10:58 PM

Gettin a TT would be easier..yes. But if u want a TT convertible, slicktop, or 2+2. Then you are gonna have to do a conversion to get some serious power.

WhtFairLadyZ 01-29-2005 11:01 PM

WhenI was talkin to John, we were discussing the VP products they now carry. I was talkin about runnin c16. Not very practicle for everyday driving. Have u guys noticied any difference with power/detonation depending on gas company? Z1 told me that they've noticed that Shell gas seems to handle boost better than most other gsa companies.

00Evan 01-30-2005 06:36 AM

I didnt see that you already had a parts car.

BTW you dont need to weld any IC brackets. Everything bolts right up.

lightspeed 01-30-2005 06:59 AM

People buy Z's because they are wonderful cars, they handle well, go fast in any trim, and look great.

People typically buy NA's for a reason - cost, reliability, insurance, back seats, cosmetics.

People typically by TT for a reason - normally the incredible speed and ease of making even more. Power is quite intoxicating.

Think about what you want in a Z before you buy it. If you buy a NA, it will not make the power of the TT without a LOT of money. And your TT will never have a back seat without a LOT of money.

CanyonCarver 01-30-2005 08:31 AM

There's not too many people interested in a fast n/a. I guess it's because a tt swap, or buying a tt, is so easy..... :burnout:
When I was out on the streets of willow yesterday, I was happy to have my n/a.

91zxtt 01-30-2005 07:02 PM

They run about $350. If you find one for significantly less than that, then I would be wary. It probably isn't Nissan OEM. Concept Z and AMZ sell them for $350.

91zxtt 01-30-2005 07:19 PM

I'm starting to get sick of seeing people recommend a TT swap. Everyone talks about it, but nobody does it. Let's try to bring this site back to the real world.

For the record....the majority of the people that talk about doing a swap do not have the $, the know-how, or the required equipment. Unless you can do the swap yourself, it is much less expensive to buy a TT. The much simpler task is selling the N/A and buying a TT.

WhtFairLadyZ 01-30-2005 07:40 PM

I like the exhaust note of a N/A. But cannot resist the rush when the turbos spool and the sound they make doin so.

WhtFairLadyZ 01-30-2005 07:43 PM

What do i do about the mounts on the chassis brace right above the headlights? Can I just leave those alone, or will the hard pipe kits elimnate the need of them?

bardabe 01-30-2005 07:47 PM

ahleluya!!! thank you 91.

00Evan 01-30-2005 08:01 PM

they arent necissary. there are other mounting points for the IC pipes, that extra one isnt really necissary

WhtFairLadyZ 01-30-2005 08:22 PM

Other than the engine wiring harness, you will need the tranny too. Unless you want to take the time to modify the mount for the starter. You'll need it too. The TT flywheels are larger than the n/a. You'll also need a different exhaust system since the n/a wont bolt up to the pre-cats.
It would be easier to just get a frony clip. That way you'll get the oil cooler and all other brakets and stuff.
As for the interior, you'll need to mount a boost gauge. I haven't heard go reviews of the factory units. But they do work. It may not me a necisity, but I like keepin an eye on things

00Evan 01-30-2005 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by WhtFairLadyZ
Other than the engine wiring harness, you will need the tranny too. Unless you want to take the time to modify the mount for the starter. You'll need it too. The TT flywheels are larger than the n/a. You'll also need a different exhaust system since the n/a wont bolt up to the pre-cats.
It would be easier to just get a frony clip. That way you'll get the oil cooler and all other brakets and stuff.
As for the interior, you'll need to mount a boost gauge. I haven't heard go reviews of the factory units. But they do work. It may not me a necisity, but I like keepin an eye on things


The NA exhaust bolts up to the JDM precats

bardabe 01-30-2005 10:04 PM

ok I have good advice that has bin given to me. if youare gonna do a JDm TT front clip. when Uhave the motor outof the clip.order a Engine rebuild gasket set from Courtesparts adn change all teh gaskets. so U might also want to check for any maintenance need to be done. this is my plan.

Step 1. get the frotn clip.
Step 2. remove the motor fromt eh Clip
Step 3. check for any damage on motor. and replace allt eh gaskets.
Step 4. change the flywheel and clutch.
step 5. do the 120,000 Mile maintenance
Step 6. clean all conectors and plug in new harness.
Step 7. replace O2 censors.
Step 8. assemble motor back up.
step 9. get a TT fuel pump
step 10. wire up the turbo timer and electronic boost controller.
step 11. set up intercooler piping and drop int eh Intercoolers.
step 12. change the transmition oil and gear oil.
step 13. re do the air conditioning and power steering lines. and all other gizmos and gadgets the TT has diferent than teh N/A.

step 14. drop in the motor and do all the truble shooting need (not to mention there WILL BE MANY)
Step 15. Go Look for some supras.
Step 16. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

and all this will take time. so like 91ZXTT said "if you don;t have time to do it right the first time, do U have time to do it over?"

tangeray 01-30-2005 11:41 PM

lol...thanks allot barbade, and everyone for that matter. This past weekend brought me some bad news that might put my engine swap plans on hault. The dude who sold me the car forgot to tell me that the radiator lower support beam (or the front crossmember) was Cracked!!.. The car shimmys at 60+ MPH and shimmies on braking. Im in the process right now of getting a new one. I saw one for 157 bucks that i need to change out. ALso, Im feeling a loud Thump in the ass end when I switch gears. Is that the Differential or in the tranny itself does anyone have experience??

~~MOral of the story is now I got bigger fish to fry. It sucks....

~Tangeray

Riz Z Speed 01-31-2005 12:47 AM

let's not make this a trend by resurrecting old threads.
thread closed.

Riz Z Speed 01-31-2005 12:48 AM

and again with the old threads....

bardabe 01-31-2005 10:18 AM

lol tell me about it. the thumpis normal Ithink we all get it. at least me and all of my z friends. changing the trany and diferential oil helps. :D

00Evan 01-31-2005 10:49 AM

thump isnt normal, its either the diff or subframe bushings

tangeray 01-31-2005 02:40 PM

Has anyone ever done a front cross member/ radiator core support? I found one online for like 157 bucks + shipping and Im probably gonna do it this weekend. My buddy is an OK welder. If anyone has done one, please give some tips.

~Tangeray

91zxtt 01-31-2005 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by 00Evan
thump isnt normal, its either the diff or subframe bushings

I'll 2nd that.

Tangeray....can you post a picture of it? I would really want to know how it happened and whether or not you're going to find more cracks elsewhere?

tangeray 01-31-2005 08:12 PM

k...when I get home tonight I'll post pictures of the Crossmember. Im not exactly sure how it happened because the dude I bought the car from got it like this 2 weeks ago. Im guessing it happened awhile ago because it looks to have been welded at least once before as a TEMP fix.
~~Im trying to figure out how to change my tranny and diff oil this week sometime. Anyone got any quick pointers?...

~Tangeray

91zxtt 01-31-2005 08:26 PM

Yes, you can find those suggestions in Rizz's link page.

z32dude 02-01-2005 03:45 PM

Hey, how's it going? When shopping for a 300 how much of a concern is mileage if I plan on replacing the engine right away?

tangeray 02-01-2005 03:50 PM

Well......The mileage on your chasis then is basically all your concern. Now this entails EVERYTHING THOUGH>>. Im talking rear diff, brake systems, suspension, body stuff, etc..etc.... Im not the expert, but as I have been reading the forums and into the Z's, nowadays mileage really isnt a factor because most people are swapping motors, doing conversions, etc..etc... Ask your seller the history of the Z and what parts have been changed out and which parts havent. Hope this helps....

~~Tangeray

z32dude 02-01-2005 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by tangeray
Well......The mileage on your chasis then is basically all your concern. Now this entails EVERYTHING THOUGH>>. Im talking rear diff, brake systems, suspension, body stuff, etc..etc.... Im not the expert, but as I have been reading the forums and into the Z's, nowadays mileage really isnt a factor because most people are swapping motors, doing conversions, etc..etc... Ask your seller the history of the Z and what parts have been changed out and which parts havent. Hope this helps....

~~Tangeray

Yeah I was thinking along those same lines... Oh well, I guess I'll have to fork over the extra cash just to rip the engine out and fork over even more cash to put a new engine in... Damn college, it's taking all my money, but then again in about 5 years I'll be making enough to buy a few ZX's.

ryzcar91tt 02-01-2005 07:12 PM

i use 94 from sunoco seems to work very good


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