I have been using water/alky injection for years in my cars for super cooling the intake air for major HP increases. It well work on N/A, supercharged, diesal, nitrous, nitro you name it, any internal combustion engine. I use to use a DIY system but just went to the Snow unit as it is more flexable.
On another site by a few stupid uninformed people (00Evans) was told I didn't know what I was talking about, as I stated I was using Automotive window cleaner, and when I raced added 25% more methanol alky for even more power. Here's what (Evan) stated, that a mixture of water/alky was the last thing you wanted to induce into your engine.

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Zgringo: Nope, I use water/alky injection as it works great and have no problems.

00Evan: Which is it? Water injection? or Alcohol injection?

Zgringo: Also I use a automotive window cleaner for the mixture.

00Evan: Lets examine the chemical properties of window cleaner shall we? First, it's boiling point is 180 degrees farenheit. Thats 32 degrees cooler than normal water. This means that the cooling properties of window cleaner are going to be greatly less than using water in the same system. And, hey whats that? It produces CO and CO2 upon thermal decomposition. Man, thats what I want to inject into my cylinders, an non flamable gas that restricts combustion.


I'm not going to go into alot of details as the following artical does a very good job of it. Now for those wanting to learn another trick and a cheap way to make more power in there Z read the following.

http://www.snowperformance.net/

Those with any questions ask and I'll try and answer if I can.

 

Everyone go dump a bottle of window cleaner in your engine so you can be fast like mr google warrior.

 

Since Mr. Positive is on such a roll lately, i'll comment.
I've heard of water injection systems for some time now.
Their added benefits have been noted by many.
The addition of methanol makes sense but i'm wondering the effects of other additives that are found in said "window cleaner", would have on your engine. i.e. deposits, other ill effects.

 

nah, those make it run better rizz

go dump a bottle in!

It rules, especially since the boiling point is less than water so it cant disipate as much heat. But we want more heat right!?

 

You got me wondering Rizz and went out and looked at the label...
Water 76%
Methanol 24%
Don't look like they use any additives.
I think 00Evans got Draino mixed up with Automotive window cleaner.

 

why didnt you post the MSDS sheet i posted?

being a supposed engineer you should know what a MSDS sheet is and not look at the label

 

The window cleaner that zgringo is talking about, I believe has the methanol to keep it from freezing in the washer tank.

I didn't know the gov required material safety data sheets on window cleaner......

 

They dont, but they are a good source to find out properties of a substance

 

I was suprised when mcmaster-carr started sending msds's when I'd order brass, bronze & copper from them. It must be a Cali thing.

 

there's MSDS sheets for ****ing everything.

I guess everyone is afraid of sue-happy america

 

try being in the navy. we have to get msds's for frigging hand soap!

 

Thanks Mr.ZeroZeroEvan, I looked up the MSDS and if you would ba as so kind to tell us all about the properties of automotive window cleaner. To me it appears everything except the water is flammable...



SPRAYWAY, INC. TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR INFORMATION : 1-800-332-9000

484 VISTA AVE.

ADDISON DATE PRINTED : 10/10/01 NAME OF PREPARER : Ron Cepa

IL 60101

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION II - HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS / IDENTITY INFORMATION -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Chemical Names CAS # SARA Title III ACGIH OSHA % By Wt.

SEC 313 TLV/TWA PEL/TWA

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Ethyl alcohol 64-17-5 No 1000 ppm 1000 ppm 1-5

2-Butoxyethanol 111-76-2 Yes 20 ppm* 25 ppm* 1-5

Liquefied petroleum gas mixture See below No -- -- 1-5

Propane 74-98-6 -- 1000 ppm NE -

n-Butane 106-97-8 -- 600 ppm NE -

Balance of ingredients are non-hazardous or below reportable levels.

* Skin

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION III - PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Boiling Point: NA Vapor Pressure (psig): 153 @ 130F / 68 @ 70F Specific Gravity (H20=1): 0.9577 pH: 10 Solubility/Water:
Completely Vapor Density (AIR=1): ND Evaporation Rate (Ether=1): ND

Appearance and Odor: Aerosol spray with fragrant odor.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION IV - FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD DATA -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Aerosol Flammability: Product is not required to be labeled as flammable as described in 16 CFR 1500.3 and 1500.45.

Flashpoint: <0F (Propellant); >100F (Concentrate)

Flammable Limits - % Volume In Air (Propellant): LEL: 1.9 UEL: 9.5

Extinguishing Media: Carbon dioxide, water spray, foam, or dry chemical.

Special Fire Fighting Procedures: Containers should be cooled with water to prevent vapor pressure build up.

Use equipment or shielding, as required, to protect personnel from bursting, rupturing or venting containers.


Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazards: Fire fighters and others who may be exposed to the products of combustion should be equipped with
NIOSH-approved positive pressure self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) and full protection clothing. At elevated temperatures (over 54C-
130F) containers exposed to direct flame or heat contact should be cooled with water to prevent weakening of container structure.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION V - REACTIVITY DATA -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Stability: Stable Hazardous Polymerization: NA

Incompatibility (Materials to Avoid): Oxidizing agents, reducing agents, acids, bases.

Hazardous Decomposition Products: Carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, hydrocarbon vapors.

Conditions to Avoid: Keep away from heat, sparks, and flames. Dropping of containers may cause bursting.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION VI - HEALTH HAZARD DATA -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Route(s) of Entry - Inhalation: X Eyes: X Skin: X Ingestion:

HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION: EYES: May cause mild irritation. SKIN: Prolonged or repeated contact may cause irritation.

INHALATION: Prolonged exposure can be irritating to eyes, nose and respiratory tract. INGESTION: Not hazardous in normal industrial use.

AGGRAVATED MEDICAL CONDITIONS: None Known.

CHRONIC EFFECTS/TARGET ORGANS: Liver. Kidneys. Nervous system. Heart and/or circulatory system.

EMERGENCY AND FIRST AID PROCEDURES: EYES: Immediately flush with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes. Get prompt medical
attention. SKIN: Immediately flush with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes. Get prompt medical attention. INHALATION: Remove to fresh
air. If symptoms develop, seek immediate medical attention. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. INGESTION: Get immediate medical
attention. Do NOT induce vomiting unless directed by medical personnel. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person.

CARCINOGENICITY:

No regulated ingredients.

TOXICITY INFORMATION:

2-Butoxyethanol:

2-butoxyethanol may affect the liver and kidneys and may increase red blood cell hemolysis.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION VII - PRECAUTIONS FOR SAFE HANDLING AND USE -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Releases or Spills: Remove all sources of ignition and ventilate area. Soak up spill with an inert absorbent and place into a designated disposal
container. Consult local regulatory agency for proper disposition of material.

Waste Disposal Method: Do not puncture or incinerate containers. When contents are depleted continue to depress button until all gas is
expelled. Dispose of container in accordance with local, state, and federal regulations.

Handling And Storing: Avoid breathing vapor. Keep away from heat, sparks and flame. Use with adequate ventilation. Do not puncture or
incinerate containers. Do not expose to direct sunlight or store at temperatures above 120F (48.9C). Store as Level 1 Aerosol (NFPA 30B).

Other Precautions: Please read and follow the directions on the product label; they are your best guide to using this product in the most
effective way, and give the necessary safety precautions to protect your health.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION VIII - EMPLOYEE PROTECTION -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Respiratory Protection (Type): None required if good ventilation is maintained. If exposure exceeds occupational exposure limits (Sec. II),
use a NIOSH approved respirator to prevent overexposure.

Ventilation: General ventilation is adequate under normal conditions, mechanical ventilation is optional.


Protective Gloves: Chemical resistant gloves are recommended - consult glove manufacturer to determine the proper type for a specific
operation.

Eye Protection: Safety glasses are recommended.

Other Protective Clothing or Equipment: Wear impervious clothing to prevent skin contact.

Work/Hygienic Practices: Ensure strict sanitary conditions are conformed to when working around chemicals.

Protective clothing and equipment should be in accordance with 29 CFR 1910.132 and CFR 1910.133.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION IX - OTHER REGULATORY CONTROLS -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

FEDERAL:

Toxic Substance Control Act (TSCA): Ingredients of this product are listed on the EPA/TSCA Inventory of Chemical Substances.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* SECTION X - TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS (D.O.T. CLASSIFICATION) -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Shipping Name: Consumer Commodity Hazard Class: ORM-D

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NG-- Negligible NA-- Not Applicable NE-- Not Established UN-- Unavailable ND-- Not Determined

While the information set forth herein is believed to be accurate as of the date hereof, the Company makes no warranty or guarantee, express or
implied, and disclaims all liability arising out of the use of this information.

EFFECTIVE DATE: 07/18/01 SUPERCEDES: 04/22/98 PREPARED BY: Ron Cepa

 

This cleaner has an even lower boiling point. Sweet, just what I want, even less cooling ability.

And maybe you missed this line.

Hazardous Decomposition Products: Carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, hydrocarbon vapors.

Why dont you just hook up a c02 fogger to your intake

 

Once again your showing your inability to read. You have such a neet way of taking things out of context to fit your needs. Were not talking about the container but the product inside.

I think you best stick with debates on Standard and Eastern bikes. More in your area, a Master Debater.

 

where did you pull the container from?

you sir are an idiot

 

Let's move on................ Water and alcohol injection systems are known to improve performance. I get the impression of approx. 5% on a n/a motor. My dilemma would be that I wouldn't spend $300 to buy a kit. I probably would spend $500 trying to make my own tho........ ha ha ha.
I'm curious what the orifice size is on the n/a kit.

 

Im not taking sides either way. But im curious on this system so I must add some fuel to continue debate.

~~Zgringo, which container were you referring to?

Again...im not taking any sides...i just want the Truth dammit!!!! lol. Lets see some test data if anyone has some

~~Tangeray

 

I'd be more than happy to explain Mr. Tangeray. I couldn't find a MSDS for just window washer as different mfg's. have differend was to make it, but this company, Sprayway Inc. had a MSDS listed that is packaged in a aerosol can. Because of the gas thats used for expelling the window cleaner has added warnings listed for it. I have 2-1gallon jugs that list water and methanol and thats it.
Below is a answer to the question of using from one of the compants that sells injection kits.

Can I use windshield washer fluid?

Although most contain some glycol and detergent, most windshield washer fluids are up to 50% alcohol (methanol, ethanol, isopropanol) and make an excellent Boost Cooler®. Try to find one that indicates "contains methanol"

 

dude every post you pull something out of your *** and sidestep the questions people ask you.

you're a proven liar

 

Whats the question double ZERO. It appears your the only one pulling odd stuff out of your rectial tissue.

Tell everyone about our phone call that never happened. Tell everyone how you beg for money for someone to sponser you so you can join a Meet a girl site. Tell everyone which is a better bike, Standard or Eastern.
I suggest unless you have some input for the subject you go back to your Nintendo and play your race game an dream of being a big racer and engine builder someday.

Your living proof the Indians had sex with the Buffalo.

 

Where is this MSDS sheet for the container you said i was looking at?

More BS from you

 

It went downhill from there tho.................

 

doesn't gaoline have the same emissions when burned, like say in an internal combustion engine?

 

Go dump some window cleaner in your engine...

I bet that fragrance and blue dye is really good.

 

Why are you always such a dick? Were you abused as a child?