KasbeKZ

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-no...0,919640.story

this happened at 10a.m., i drove right by that ramp at about 8:30p.m. not really significant. just saying. it looks like it was pretty riced up anyway. RIP to the driver.

280zx2by2

did you read the comments? that really pisses me off that before people even know the circumstances they make it out to be one of those "look at this and learn situations..."

BTW why is this in the 350z section? he was driving a 300zx z32

rtmorgan

whats up with the hood being proped up and open
looks like someone was checking out whats left of his ride.

KasbeKZ

oops. that was a dumb mistake. it should be in z32.... sorry mods...

no i didn't read the comments. i'm going to now though.

KasbeKZ

the comments on that are all so stupid. there isn't anything wrong with the tittle. but hehe, it got called a high performance car!

280zx2by2

they didnt like that it said killed... because they dont like the idea that he was taken, they belive that in a way it was his fault and he killed himself

no one means to spin out or lose control of their car, it was not his fault

KasbeKZ

i don't think it wasn't his fault... i mean, he was going to fast.

NismoPick

Moved to 300ZX Z32 section.

ZLover4Life

Going too fast = his fault. People don't lose control of their cars by driving within their means. Not sure about you guys, but I don't spontaneously spin out. I feel no pity for the driver and I'm glad the passenger wasn't punished for the driver being irresponsible.

Whether he was speeding before the turn or accelerating after it as one of the posters says, normal driving does not result in this outcome - 300ZX's don't just fly off the road for fun. And damage like this isn't sustained from reasonable ramp speeds.

snwbrderphat540

i do feel bad for that car though, it's a TT and got 2 toned Z3 fendered rims and front fascia arent so bad, the re-wrapped seats are lame and i think its got a full kit which im not a fan of any full kit for a Z32

KasbeKZ

thanks for posting the big pic. see the way that fender cracked? looks like fiber glass. i've never heard of glass fenders for these though.

thanks nismo

ZLover4Life

Fiber reinforced plastic (FRP), actually. They were made by either Origin, Escort, or possibly Powertrix... not sure which.. Search hard enough and you'll come across them. SPL used to sell their own FRP fenders as well, but they're no longer on the site.

KasbeKZ

wow. that was a nice car then. i wish i knew where it was going.

ZLover4Life

... how does that make it a nice car?

KasbeKZ

well, it doesn't let you know for sure. but if someone went through the trouble to put aftermarket fenders on it, you might guess that they would have put some extra power into it too... unless those are just cheap replacement fenders.

turboboost

Hmm, poor kid.

DropTopTwin

R.I.P.

Hope the family will recover from this. I doubt people will be so flippant with their replies had this been one of their friends or family members.

ZLover4Life

My response would be no different. If I kept any friends, I'd tell you to ask them... but the people who were once my friends can testify that I'd lay into them whenever I saw them driving irresponsibly.

KasbeKZ

i think he was talking about the replies on the news site. they were being pretty stupid if you didn't read all that. they were talking about the tittle being stupid and stuff.

DropTopTwin

My post wasn't addressing you personally.

But I'll reply to this. If you had no pity even if your friends(had you kept any) or your family member was killed in an accident, no matter who was at fault, I believe that would make you cold-hearted. I am the biggest advocate for being accountable for your own actions; however, had my friends or family members died(even if they were doing the dumbest thing in the world)my heart would go out to them and I would feel horrible and be awfully sadden about their death.

I don't know the driver, but I still feel for him regardless of his stupid actions because a person died. What's really pitiful is amount of people's indifferent attitude towards death of fellow human being.

Maybe not you ZLover, but everybody speeds from time to time. Even the most responsible driver will speed from time to time. This death could happen to anyone of us (excluding you of course), since most people I know with sports cars will go fast from time to time.

Was the driver stupid for taking such a chance with his and his occupant's life? Yes.

Does that make the death less tragic? No.

Do I think that person deserve death? No.

Would I disrespect and be flippant about the dead because of his irresponsibility? Again no.

But that's just me.

Different strokes for different folks.

snwbrderphat540

just remember kids, when road racing, its not like on the street where you apply brakes then add pressure as needed, you wait a bit longer lay HARD on the brakes and bleed off pressure as you enter the turn then switch to throttle constant in the corner and apply more gradually on the way out, the other way around leads to heavier braking while actually starting the turn (which in turn leads to understeer) and starts to slow you to early and will loose pace.....



oh and does Darwinism count as deserving to die?

DropTopTwin

You are correct. To many self righteous people making asinine comments and that message board was full of them. May none of them ever do anything stupid and pay the ultimate price with their lives, so high horse riders could belittle a death of a human being.

DropTopTwin

Only if you feel you are qualified to judge who is deserving to die.

I'm sure you being a sport bike rider you have exceeded the posted speed limit. If something tragic happens under these conditions, would the epitaph of victim of Darwinism be appropriate?

snwbrderphat540

yes... yes it would... if i went beyond my limits, then survival of the fittest no? and "I" am no judge and never said i would be.... natural selection technically would be. wheres this "I" come from? oh an in all honesty i feel for the people he left behind and are hurt, for him himself, if he did something stupid enough that he killed himself, in my book, thats technically suicide, just like if he were to have killed the passenger the and he lived the law would consider that manslaughter.

DropTopTwin

Your family and friends would not be looking it at the same way.

I used you as an example, since it was you who brought up Darwin, and it was you who I was replying to.

Regardless of severity of stupidity that causes any death, it is still a tragic event and it doesn't make anyone's death trivial to make it into a light subject that warrents some of these crude remarks.

Also after reading all the replies on that message board, several posts were made by eye witnesses, and they claim the driver of the car wasn't doing anything stupid. Is this true? I don't know, but if it is, then it would make all the sly comments that much more cruel.

SNW, just remember anything can happen at anytime. You bravado of "yes... yes it would..." statement is impressive, but if tragic accident occure to you, it's not you who would be suffering the lost of loved one for rest of your life, but it would be your loved one who would be sadden and miss you greatly. I hardly doubt any of your family members or your friends would appreciate people's quick judgement and flippant opinions that leads to hurtful comments, that could be viewed by surviving members of the deceased.(I'm using the other messageboard as an example)

It's like the old saying. If you don't have anything nice to say, then...

Of course we all have right to express own opinions, but we don't have to rub salt into an open wound either.

Regards.