hoov100

honestly, I would use a floor jack under the pan then a trans jack (unless its on a lift) or you can be a man, put it on your chest and bench press it while your friend bolts it into place.

BlueKitsune

I can do that with a T5 and 280ZX transmission but that 300ZX one is WAY to damn heavy

apollo

Forget the VG30DETT. Leave it in the scrap pile and put a VH45DE in there instead. Done

BlueKitsune

Whats that from?

hoov100

92-95 (the good years) infinity q45's

apollo

Nissan VH45DE V8 in a Z32

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksRhjw3uFqE

ZLover4Life

Why? Are less capable engines more desirable somehow?

BlueKitsune

huh neat. not my car so idc. Might be interesting to see in my Z tho lol

Uh what that little sensor under the intake manifold? it looks like a knock sensor... w/e it is one of the wires from it is ruined.

KasbeKZ

yeah don't worry about just using a floor jack. if the tranny falls strait on your hand, it doesn't break any bones. it just makes your hand kinda useless for a couple days. and it doesn't break the tranny!

i wouldn't call the engine "faulty". maybe mildly fussy but on the whole it's a beast. it takes a ton of abuse while putting out fairly good power as an n/a. fairly good for an n/a that is.

sensor under the manifold, if you mean also under the lower plenum, that goes right into the block is the knock sensor. very strongly recommended to replace while the engine is out. if you don't do anything else to it, change that.

BlueKitsune

Well that little section of wire is toast. from who ever did the TT swap cut off one of the 2 wires to it right at the connector...

hoov100

I'd like to see where you got that conclusion, they are both can sustain large amounts of power on the stock long block. (as proven by nizpro in aus.) but with the VH you dont have to worry about injectors, timing belts or other finicky random crap going out, you would have a very nice power curve with the right size turbo, they are very cheap, very plentiful, parts are cheap, reliability is greatly improved, still get good MPG's and the aftermarket is getting better and better every day, along with how much the engine is used in racing applications in australia and NZ.

apollo

Hoov took the words right out of my mouth. . .
I once uttered the phrase "vg30dett swap" in front of lww and Rico, a tech @ ZCG, and they both immediately educated me with a seriousness like ive never seen before. I'd VH45 a Z32 before i went near a VGTT.

napoleonzheking

First of all, I'd never jack on the pan....

Second of all, if your going to use a floor jack, just use it on the transmission. The bolt to drain the fluid is the center of balance on the tranny. just be careful, and drain the fluid first before you stab it, otherwise you might have some spilling out the back while your trying....

Just spend the $200 (if that) and buy a transmission jack... it's one of those tools you'll buy once and never need another one. Mine paid for itself by helping out car club members here and there, and they in turn will buy me lunch here and there, and doing side jobs of removing transmissions for 50 bucks or so.

ZLover4Life

And I'd listen to the entirety of TwinTurbo.NET and my own vast knowledge of the VG30DETT before I listened to some kid with a 240SX citing a shop I've never heard of. One engine was designed for performance, the other was designed for a luxury sedan. One was designed for FI, the other was not. One belongs in a sports car, the other does not.

Now go do your trolling on Nico or Zilvia, because I'm not going to let you ruin any Z32's on this site.

hoov100

I was speaking strictly using the floor jack on the trans only, I have used trans jacks before (still sitting in my shed) and they just make it more work then it needs to be, with a floor jack under the pan, you get it in there, get it close and man handle it in, simple as that IMHO.

hoov100

lol, thats an ignorant and almost arrogant excuse.


also, could we get the purist soap box back? we need i for zcar.com.

ZLover4Life

Let's think about the VH45 real quick... how much does it cost to put one in a Z32TT? I'm going to be optimistic just to prove that, even on the bright side, it's a dumb idea. Let's say it only costs $5000 to get the engine, necessary electronics and harness, and fit it into the Z32's engine bay.

Now, for $5000 you're down 22 horsepower just off the bat. That $5k spent on the VG30DETT gets you Sport 500's and supporting mods... to the tune of over 400rwhp and about a 200 horsepower head start. Now let's mod the VH45... if you even want to TOUCH what the VG30DETT can do, you have to do FI. How much does that cost? Please tell me. And then tell me how much you can boost without tearing into and rebuilding that engine. (The VH45 has a 10.2:1 compression ratio... compare that to the TT's 8.5:1. Who can boost considerably more?)

So where's the benefit? Even if the VH45 can do the 4-digit horsepower numbers or 9-second quarter mile times that the VG30DETT has done, it'll cost more to get there when all is said and done. Will you gain accessibility in the engine bay? Nope. So again, I ask, where is the benefit?

I'm sorry if I think logically and understand the laws of physics as well as the laws of economics.

apollo

Hahaha. . .TT.net . . .wow, my opinion wasn't aimed at you or any other hot headed internet mouth. You apparently don't know me that well and haven't been here for very long because most people here on zdriver and in the real world know that . . .

A) I can be childish in every way, except for age. Sorry, no 240SX kid here. Just a man with too many cars
B) Ive been a member for quite some time now(actually, longer than you have been- not that it matters) and yes, if by "troll" you mean keeping my posts to information or opinions that contribute to the topic at hand then yes, i like to "troll" here
3) Both old-timers lww and Rico of Z Car Garage, in my personal opinion, have more credible, useful knowledge than myself, most members here or your vast TT.net education in one finger. Those losers eat, breathe and crap all generations of Z and have since the cars came off the dealer lot.
D) You're probably just touchy about all this because you didn't swap in a VH45DE in your Z32 . . .

-I apologize for the off topic thread jack-

ZLover4Life

Clearly you know nothing about me... I won't even bother mentioning where my background comes from, because those who matter already know. Do yourself a favor and stay out of the Z32 subforum - you're not helping anybody here (seriously).

And as for your age, I have yet to meet an adult who drives a 240SX... most S13 owners are in high school or just got into college.

By the way... I've never heard of any of Z Car Garage's Z32's... but I'm well aware of Specialty Z's low-9-second TT (with a VG30DETT), Z1 Motorsports' 1051rwhp Z32 (with a VG30DETT), SPL Parts' time-attack Z32 (with a VG30DETT), Escort Racings Z32 (with a VG30)...

skib

apollo

Hahaha . .I love how worked up you are about this!! Man, getting you all riled up is almost as easy as breaking a VG30DETT!!

Take you're overly opinionated TT.net attitude elsewhere (seriously)



again, sorry for the thread jack. last un-related post i swear

hoov100

lol, $5k to do a VH swap? more around the tune of $1500, if you know what your doing, you are also forgetting the initial hit of buying a TT, then doing a timing belt job, injector replacement, if it hasnt already been done, fixing the HICAS, or deleting it, we can assume the turbo's would need replaced, so theres another $500, ontop of whatever else goes wrong with it while its out. BAM! theirs probably $2k dollars right there, if you do it yourself, along with the $7k car. the VH has been proven to make 450 reliable WHP on the stock long block and stock EFI. a stand alone EFI system can range from a $500 megasquirt system to a $2k dollar wolf system, to a $400 nistune piggy back controller. big woopdie ****in do, you could build the VH for cheaper and reach a higher overall power level, while making it at a reasonable RPM AND daily drive it. I have seen TWO z32TT's making over 600WHP while being daily driven, I have seen one full out drag car z32 running high 7's. I have heard of one person running high 9's daily driving his car and I have yet to see proof of even that! So show me, you say its been done, blah blah blah, show me, I dont wanna see some POS dyno queen either. Theirs more then just making the power with these cars, especially when your looking at a two engines, that can be built to the same level, but one costing considerably less.

Personally, I dont give a **** about you, your pursitic idea's, or your opinion, but when you start talking **** about an engine you have obliviously no idea about, you give me a reason to bitch. I'm not going to continue on with some little bitch who, probably has never lived life, who sits behind a desk all day, thinking that he's cool, that he should be respected, because of his "knowledge of the vg30dett on here and TT.net" If it was such a good and powerfull motor, then why did nissan discontinue it? why are people swapping in other motors, in place of the vgTT? why do they break down so much? If nissan engineered the engine properly, We wouldnt have to pull the engines to replace the turbo's, If they engineered it properly, it wouldnt be built on 1980's technology and apparently reliability. If nissan put any thought into that motor, they would have left it as a concept. Go ahead, cry some more bitch, tell me that I'm stupid and that my statements are absurd. Go ahead, make my day *******.

flatblack

zomg I can't wait to show this to my GF. Thanks Skibbers.

VG30ET or DIEEE

KasbeKZ

pretty common knowledge that most aspects of the z32 were well ahead of its time. and making fun of a car for being built on 80's technology, when it was designed and began production in the 80's, is absolutely retarded.
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in yo face!

and the vg30 is pretty damned tough. with 170k miles on it. several previous retarded owners, and having been to the rev limiter more than once to my knowledge, it still pulls like new. = respect.

BlueKitsune

Just my 2 cents. Nearly every Z32 VG engine seems to have major problems.... But idk Ive only seen 3 Z32s One of which had to get a brand new engine at only 150K miles.