High Idle & Surging
02-20-2012, 08:59 AM
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High Idle & Surging
I have a 83 Non-T car that mysteriously the idle went to 1200 and is surging to 2000 or so mysteriuously. I have checked for Vac leaks , replaced the Idle Air control valve on top and it still does the same thing. I have owned 4- 280's and have never had this issue. I have read where it COULD be one of several things from AFM to O2 sensors ect ect. my question is has anyone actually HAD or seen this issue and what exactly fixed it ?
Thanks in advance to any Real solutions not
guesses..
Thanks in advance to any Real solutions not
guesses..
02-20-2012, 09:32 AM
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Hum... it's pretty hard NOT to guess with a very basic / general description over the internet... it would be easier if you could give more detail.
I would start by checking all the things you've already discovered COULD be the problem: Timing, AFM, idle screw, and vacuum leaks are the main cause of high idle.
If you haven't do so yet, I suggest buying the Haynes manual or download the FSM for free at www.xenons130.com/reference
Hum... it's pretty hard NOT to guess with a very basic / general description over the internet... it would be easier if you could give more detail.
I would start by checking all the things you've already discovered COULD be the problem: Timing, AFM, idle screw, and vacuum leaks are the main cause of high idle.
If you haven't do so yet, I suggest buying the Haynes manual or download the FSM for free at www.xenons130.com/reference
02-20-2012, 10:38 AM
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Thanks Mr Nismo !
I know it's hard over the Net..and it could be a number of things.. Just wondered if anyone had or seen this exact issue high idle at cold start and surging or revving between 1000-2000 non stop doesnt go away ..what was their fix for similar issue.. As a process of elimination to back diagnois before I just start replacing things that it could be...
02-21-2012, 12:16 PM
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Very High Idle & Surging acceleration at Idle
I have a 83 NoN -T car . I have had 4 280zx's and have never had one have this issue .. The car wasa running fine but one day last week Upon cold start the idle is about 2300 upon warming up it starts surging to over 3000-3500 on its own. I have checked for vacum leaks and cant find any Replaced the Air Idle Control Valve cleaned the MAF meter & throttle body .. No difference.
I know it could be alot of different things.. As a Z owner for 20 yrs I have never seen this symtom or issue. Has anyone else? If so what fixed it? In the meantime I'll keep searching. Thanks in advance for any responses..
I know it could be alot of different things.. As a Z owner for 20 yrs I have never seen this symtom or issue. Has anyone else? If so what fixed it? In the meantime I'll keep searching. Thanks in advance for any responses..
02-21-2012, 12:41 PM
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high idle
I have a 83 Non-T car that mysteriously the idle went to 1200 and is surging to 2000 or so mysteriuously. I have checked for Vac leaks , replaced the Idle Air control valve on top and it still does the same thing. I have owned 4- 280's and have never had this issue. I have read where it COULD be one of several things from AFM to O2 sensors ect ect. my question is has anyone actually HAD or seen this issue and what exactly fixed it ?
Thanks in advance to any Real solutions notguesses..
Thanks in advance to any Real solutions not
guesses..
02-21-2012, 12:46 PM
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High idle
[QUOTE=Black&Gold83Z;306866]I have a 83 NoN -T car . I have had 4 280zx's and have never had one have this issue .. The car wasa running fine but one day last week Upon cold start the idle is about 2300 upon warming up it starts surging to over 3000-3500 on its own. I have checked for vacum leaks and cant find any Replaced the Air Idle Control Valve cleaned the MAF meter & throttle body .. No difference.
I know it could be alot of different things.. As a Z owner for 20 yrs I have never seen this symtom or issue. Has anyone else? If so what fixed it? In the meantime I'll keep searching. Thanks in advance for any responses..[/ After you have checked all the possibilities i mentioned before and have no avail it has to be a bad BCDD valve. I'm almost sure it will be that. Good luck with it.
I know it could be alot of different things.. As a Z owner for 20 yrs I have never seen this symtom or issue. Has anyone else? If so what fixed it? In the meantime I'll keep searching. Thanks in advance for any responses..
[/ After you have checked all the possibilities i mentioned before and have no avail it has to be a bad BCDD valve. I'm almost sure it will be that. Good luck with it.
02-21-2012, 06:53 PM
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I have a 83 NoN -T car . I have had 4 280zx's and have never had one have this issue .. The car wasa running fine but one day last week Upon cold start the idle is about 2300 upon warming up it starts surging to over 3000-3500 on its own. I have checked for vacum leaks and cant find any Replaced the Air Idle Control Valve cleaned the MAF meter & throttle body .. No difference.
I know it could be alot of different things.. As a Z owner for 20 yrs I have never seen this symtom or issue. Has anyone else? If so what fixed it? In the meantime I'll keep searching. Thanks in advance for any responses..
I know it could be alot of different things.. As a Z owner for 20 yrs I have never seen this symtom or issue. Has anyone else? If so what fixed it? In the meantime I'll keep searching. Thanks in advance for any responses..
02-22-2012, 06:30 PM
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AFM door opening & closing after warm up of cold start
I took the rubber tube off the AFM where I can see the AFM inlet door with a mirror when the car starts surging I can see the door oopening and closing with the surging. Not sure if that is a falty AFM symtom or if something else is causing the AFM door to open and close. Think I am going to buy a new AFM and put it on and see if it fixes it.. if not I know I will need a AFM in the future and know that is not my problem..
02-22-2012, 08:07 PM
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BCDD = Boost Controlled Deceleration Device.
I wouldn't blow $200-$400 for a new / reman AFM when you could adjust (fix) it yourself if it were the problem.
https://www.zdriver.com/forums/240z-280zxt-s30-s130-tech-tips-275/js-how-rebuild-your-afm-15277/
I wouldn't blow $200-$400 for a new / reman AFM when you could adjust (fix) it yourself if it were the problem.
https://www.zdriver.com/forums/240z-280zxt-s30-s130-tech-tips-275/js-how-rebuild-your-afm-15277/
02-22-2012, 10:43 PM
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I took the rubber tube off the AFM where I can see the AFM inlet door with a mirror when the car starts surging I can see the door oopening and closing with the surging. Not sure if that is a falty AFM symtom or if something else is causing the AFM door to open and close. Think I am going to buy a new AFM and put it on and see if it fixes it.. if not I know I will need a AFM in the future and know that is not my problem..
It's pretty easy to rebuild the AFM. Did you make sure the connector for the AFM was seated properly? Missing clip? Corrosion on the connectors?
02-24-2012, 01:26 PM
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There should be a single vacuum line running from the top of the intake to underneath the manifold to the BCDD.Just pinch the hose off and see if the idle goes back to normal.If so just block off or remove and plug both ends.Mine runs fine without the BCDD with no problems.
02-25-2012, 07:09 PM
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Will try !!
Thanks again guys !!
The door on the MAF is flapping with the surging..Not surge if thats a bad AFM or is some thing else causeing the AFM to open & close..I am borrowing a AFM from a friend and will blt it on as a process of elimination as well as the other suggestions.
THANKS again will find the demon sooner or later !!
The door on the MAF is flapping with the surging..Not surge if thats a bad AFM or is some thing else causeing the AFM to open & close..I am borrowing a AFM from a friend and will blt it on as a process of elimination as well as the other suggestions.
THANKS again will find the demon sooner or later !!
03-05-2012, 07:14 AM
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Not the mass air flow meter
Well put on another MAF and no change ..still super high idle & surging after warm up.. will look at the other suggestions now .. process of elimination will have several new replacement parts when this fix is done..if I dont give up and haul it to the Z clinic here in austin.
03-05-2012, 09:08 AM
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In case you missed this:
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Sounds like a vacuum leak to me.
Sounds like a vacuum leak to me.
03-05-2012, 11:30 AM
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I agree !!
Me too Nis..so I'm gonna keep looking in no so very obvious vacum areas..
When I did disconnect the vac hose from the mani to the BCDD nothing happen ..as I remember..will try it again..If it was working I would think it should responed? Hmmmm..
When I did disconnect the vac hose from the mani to the BCDD nothing happen ..as I remember..will try it again..If it was working I would think it should responed? Hmmmm..
03-09-2012, 12:33 PM
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Yes Fric.. I forgot to do that last week..
I did it today.. it does bring the idle down.. but when I gave it some throttle it gos back up to high and stays there..I have a friend gonna come out tonight who was a pro mechanic on US domestic cars ..Not a Z guy and help me mess with it over a few beers....
03-13-2012, 05:43 PM
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Mucho Thanks Guyz !! Looks like a Bad BCDD like ya'll said if all else fails !
Just diagnosied to have a Bad BCDD Valve so you guys get the Prize of Knowledge & Know How..
After having 4 of these cars (and thought I pretty much knew the basic componet failures of these cars) I learned alot from you guys and my friend the ex Pro Domestic Mechanic ! Now to find one and I will install myself !
If I can help you guyz in Any way give me a shout out !
Will follow to confirm it !
THANKS AGAIN !
After having 4 of these cars (and thought I pretty much knew the basic componet failures of these cars) I learned alot from you guys and my friend the ex Pro Domestic Mechanic ! Now to find one and I will install myself ! If I can help you guyz in Any way give me a shout out !
Will follow to confirm it !
THANKS AGAIN !
