So as usual, car talk around the shop got a little heated and now im at a stand still with some co-workers. The issue?

-Best engine ever made-

Our decision is based on multiple levels. Fuel economy, units produced, stock power, power potential etc etc . . .

Im stuck between the Honda B16 and the Toyota R22. They think the SBC. What do you guys think?

 

R22. If I had to choose a Honda motor though, it would def. be the new K20, that thing is amazing.

 

Honda EW1. 1.5 furious liters pumping out a whopping 70 beastly ponies!!! and those 80ft-lbs of torque make for a serious 4x4 rig!

 

so one motor that matches ALL of those criteria? see... the K20 isnt that much potential in my book. if they can consider an SBC they are stupid rednecks. lol. the SBC falls nothing under the category of fuel economic. in fact, the 350 out of the 80's cars made 190 hp and still did like 13 miles to the gallon. thats **** for efficiency. however it did have alot of ponies hidden. so if they can go to that wild of an end. im going to say the 4G63 motor. lol. why you ask? its the only 4 banger i know of that puts down 1400hp without and block mods (aka no over bore no re-designing the block only internals on the build) and also just recently a couple guys laid down over 1000 AWHP on PUMP GAS! so thats very impressive if you ask me.

 

22R FTMFW!!!!

You will not find a more reliable motor anywhere.


Rod.

 

Yeah there are some problems modding it, but the community (the largest community) of after market developers and buyers will find a way. My cousin has a K20 in his EK civic right now, without any other mods it runs 13's at CMI all day.

 

well duh^^^^ lol, its a good honda swap motor, but for what he describes, fuel economy, potential, etc. the 4G63 takes the cake. it was designed to be a desiel motor so it takes abuse out the ****.

 

sbc can be made to be fuel efficient with a couple inter cooled turbo's with EFI..

 

its just not a match to many motors in apollo's specs though. thats all im saying. 4G63 in stock for if you take from the evo is 300hp, potential as i posted un NO2 is 1400 hp, fastest 4 cylinder running 6's etc. so there potential, gets good mileage in the eclipse's and talons, and has been in cars from the late 80's to 2007, maybe even before the 80's it matches apollo's criteria to the freaking last detail.

 

dont forget the starions!

 

As long as economy is a factor I would have to agree with the 4G63. When I went to pick my daughter in San Fransisco last week, I set the cruise at 75mph, and averaged 26mpg for the 800 mile round trip. This is with the engine set to right around 300hp, and pushing a 3400-3600lb awd car.

 

The Toyota 22R that was in my '83 Celica GTS, and is still running strong today. Indestructible 4 cylinder, with 150 hp. Of course it has the '93 4 Runner engine in it. With a RV cam. Good fuel economy tough as nails. I and my little bro' will vouch for this. The car now I think has 380k+ miles on it now, and still running friggin' strong. My brother drives it still quite often, with no problems whatsoever. I actually really miss that car. It was good to me, and never let me down. And the fact that it is rare, because it is a Celica-Supra mix.

 

http://wardsauto.com/reports/2007/te..._engines_2007/

The VQ engine has been chosen (out of new engines only) for the last 13 years straight.

 

I shoulda put money on Snw saying "4G63!!!!" Hey Snw... if you love it so much... why don't you marry it!?

 

maybe i will!!!!

i like the motor, best 4 cylinder in world. thats all.... thats all....

 

best engine ever made???????
cat; cummins;yanmar.......john deere......there are a few others-----for cars??????? TO BE DETERMINED..........STILL too many good ones....

 

you cant really compare diesel and petrol motors though.... thats just not fair...

 

yeah! cuz then I cant rave about my 4G63!

 

lol, no.... because diesel does pwn most engines, they make crazy torque right off the batt, hold more boost than anything else in the wold, and get great mileage as long as your not accelerating. lol. also they last over a million miles, much over, and arent fully broken in even until several hundred thousand miles. they are tanks!!!!!!

 

Wow, a topic that I can actually chime in to.

I agree with you to an extent. The 4g63 is a fantastic motor to make power with. It's been put to the test for years and years and, as long as the owner isn't stupid, it rarely ever fails.. But if the question was changed to "best 4 banger to swap" I would, without a doubt, go with the k20a2 out of the rsx-s. It makes great numbers on boost and can withstand boost even with having a high cr. If you would rather go the n/a route you can get a sky high redline out of it and it will make power all the way to redline while retaining a flat torque curve all the way through the dyno.

If I were to try and answer that with all import motors I would probably go with the 2jz gte. You'll get more hp per dollar invested in that motor than anything else that I've ever come across, if the dollar is invested right. There's a performance shop in my neck of the woods that used to pump out 1200hp supras like it was a candy factory. That has left a lasting impression on me, especially after seeing the short period of time he sometimes did it in.

Otherwise, if you want to go cheater, I would say the twin supercharged v8 out of the koenigsegg ccxr. No good reason (other than the obvious), I'm just a bit of a koenigsegg fanboy. lol.

 

exactly what i would of said ^^^^ like word for word... other than that K motor comment, i just think the k series K20A (not a2) is the only decent NA motor for honda swapers, they get 12 second civics with that swap so its pretty impressive, but at the end of the day they are still in a honda.


koenigsegg 4 life!!! and i woulda picked 2jz but the gas mileage thing etc. the 4G63 fit a little better....

 

LSX anyone?

 

Well the differences between the k20a and the a2 are mostly in the tuning, not the motors themselves. iirc the only differences are the cams and intake manifold, which are 2 of the first things to get upgraded by (smart) honda owners looking for a quick & fun car. The problem with that is the fact that when it comes to honda "tuners" too many of them are just high school kids with an import tuner subscription that think that the crazier the body kit the more awesome the car.

I absolutely love hondas, there's no doubt about it. The only thing that I have against tuning a honda is the cost factor.. It's a cash crop and the people that supply these low mileage k20a2's know that they can get an insane amount of money for them (a used k20a2 with low mileage complete swap usually goes for around $5-6k). If it were cheaper I would probably have picked up a 98 civic hatch instead of my recently acquired 82 280zx n/a. If you a2 swap and boost (with a good tune) an ek hatch you can easily make it into 11's and still have a car that you can drive daily if you wish.

The benifits from going straight to a k20a instead of an a2 just isn't worth the cost differences. The only real thing that you gain (if you plan to modify) is mad tight jdm bragging rights, which I am personally okay without.

 

actually, i coulda swore the K20A had a little higher C/R than the A2. ill have to check that out. and as for teh LSX.... gas mileage is a FAIL! and V8's are built quikly and sloppy, they just dont seem very reliable. though very easy to work on....

 

not quite. theyre very reliable, easy to work on, and even eaiser to mod. my roomate gets around 17 mpg in the city with a moderate driving style, and 28mpg on the highway. his LS1 has 400whp with just cam, headers, pulley and a decent tune.