GSR VS Z
09-23-2002, 09:27 PM
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GSR VS Z
has any one raced a GSR in there Z? I have a stock 280zx just aftermarket wires and Bosch plugs. My friend has a stock Integra GSR 94 lowered on Skunk 2 coilovers he ran a 15.1 1/4mile. Does any one know how bad ill be killed or if i might hang with him. Has anyone ran there z stock.
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09-23-2002, 10:51 PM
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Re: GSR VS Z
I started looking at this post & thought Z vs GSR - no chance.
I was thinking Lancer GSR (ie EVO)....
silly me [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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I was thinking Lancer GSR (ie EVO)....
silly me [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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09-23-2002, 10:53 PM
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Re: GSR VS Z
but come to think of it, my 240ZT blew off a modified Lancer GSR (pre EVO). I did have ~180kW at the engine though...
enough crap, I have no idea bout the Integra.
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enough crap, I have no idea bout the Integra.
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09-24-2002, 07:16 AM
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Re: GSR VS Z
yeah i thought the same thing .. 1.8T GSR Lancer ... must be an aussie thing
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09-24-2002, 07:33 AM
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Re: GSR VS Z
Hey guys,
Whats the conversion Killowatts to HP ?
Mike
Whats the conversion Killowatts to HP ?
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09-24-2002, 10:16 AM
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Re: GSR VS Z
The new Integras that advertise 200hp?
Oh, those things dyno at 147hp.
If your 280zx is running perfect, and has all the torque and power that it should, you should have 145hp at the wheels and much more torque than him. You'll be off the line faster than him and he'll have to catch you. I think you'll be very close, and you'll probably win if you can shift right.
Oh, those things dyno at 147hp.
If your 280zx is running perfect, and has all the torque and power that it should, you should have 145hp at the wheels and much more torque than him. You'll be off the line faster than him and he'll have to catch you. I think you'll be very close, and you'll probably win if you can shift right.
09-24-2002, 03:24 PM
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kw x 1.347 thats close enough 
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09-24-2002, 03:45 PM
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Re: GSR VS Z
I have a stock 240z with 5speed tran. Raced my friends 91GSR. Kill him by a car length.but he caught up and pass me when i hit around 120-125mph. But for sure i can beat him in quarter mile.
09-24-2002, 03:48 PM
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don't brag.. he'll toast ya
Stock 280zx's run low 17's high 16's stock..
That GSR will run ya down..
And that is 145hp @ the crank for the 280zx 135hp in other models/years of 280zx. 9 sec 0-60
280zxt was 180hp @crank. 7.1 sec 0-60 for the auto 7.7 for the 5speed manual..
That GSR will run ya down..
And that is 145hp @ the crank for the 280zx 135hp in other models/years of 280zx. 9 sec 0-60
280zxt was 180hp @crank. 7.1 sec 0-60 for the auto 7.7 for the 5speed manual..
09-24-2002, 06:52 PM
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Re: don't brag.. he'll toast ya
Does he have Type R badges? (sorry, but I just couldn't resist)
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09-24-2002, 07:18 PM
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Re: don't brag.. he'll toast ya
i'm pretty sure it is 145@the wheels as it it stated net horsepower not bhp, doesn't it make more sense that the bigger and more advanced L28 puts out more than the first L24?
09-24-2002, 08:00 PM
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Re: don't brag.. he'll toast ya
Gross vs. SAE net (which is BHP). The early L24 runs ~125hp at the crank, L26 ~135, L28E ~145, L28ET 180. The later L24E in the R30 Skyline (no EGR, or smog pump) is a 94kW motor which = 126hp. My 240ZT ran 120kW on a dyno dynamics dyno, which was enough to spin the wheels through the top end of 1st gear & into 2nd (it was auto). Hand timed 0-100km/h in 6s flat. factoring in drivetrain losses make it a 240hp engine. Putting the engine stats into Dyno2000 say that there is 250hp @ 6000rpm. After all it had a TO4, AiResearch intercooler & 1-bar boost [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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09-24-2002, 08:09 PM
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Re: don't brag.. he'll toast ya
Dude race him. The worst is you lost to a car 20 years newer and a [censored] load more money under the hood. If you win he will look the fool. Its like fighting a big buffed dude you cant lose either way you come out on top.
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09-24-2002, 08:28 PM
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Re: don't brag.. he'll toast ya
Stock for stock, my friend took his GSR to the Carlsbad track against my ZX before I modded it, and I beat him. I ran a 15.32 @ 89mph and he was nearly a half second back at 15.77, I can't remember his mph somewhere around the high 80's too though I think. Now his car has a V-AFC, headers, intake, exhaust and cam gears, and he runs a 15 flat. No suspension yet, and I'm sure that's what is hurting his times a bit. He's pissed he hasn't beaten me since I don't have too much done to the car yet either... Soon I will have a Spearco I/C in...
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09-24-2002, 10:05 PM
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get the facts straight
the official specs on the 1969 240z is 151bhp this is NOT net horsepower net horsepower is bhp - fhp=net hp
this is the european version.
Official specs on the 1981-1983 n/a 280zx is 170bhp which works out to the 145 sae net hp this is with a/c and all the related accessorys on.
BHP is braking horsepower which refers to an engine dyno that works somewhat like a torque converter in which it uses fluid to measure the hp figures. Why datsun started to release sae hp figures instead of the bhp figures is beyond me. (insurance and gas prices maybe?)
this is the european version.
Official specs on the 1981-1983 n/a 280zx is 170bhp which works out to the 145 sae net hp this is with a/c and all the related accessorys on.
BHP is braking horsepower which refers to an engine dyno that works somewhat like a torque converter in which it uses fluid to measure the hp figures. Why datsun started to release sae hp figures instead of the bhp figures is beyond me. (insurance and gas prices maybe?)
09-25-2002, 10:04 AM
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Re: get the facts straight
When my 280zx was stock (1982 engine - 145hp) it dynoed at 139hp at the wheels. It wasn't running perfect then either, and failed emissions soon after. I would say its not impossible to get 145hp at the wheels on a stock 280zx 1981-83 at least.... I'm not sure on the turbos. So many turbos dyno different because the owner doesn't have it tuned up right, but they can't tell because its still faster than most other cars. hehe...
Anyway, every time you shift in the Z, you'll drop to about 3200 to 3500 rpm. That is right about the peak torque of the engine. About 165 lbs or so. The 4-cyl will have probably less than 100 lbs at each shift and doesn't have peak torque untill after 5 grand. Torque makes a big difference too.
Anyway, every time you shift in the Z, you'll drop to about 3200 to 3500 rpm. That is right about the peak torque of the engine. About 165 lbs or so. The 4-cyl will have probably less than 100 lbs at each shift and doesn't have peak torque untill after 5 grand. Torque makes a big difference too.
09-25-2002, 11:19 AM
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Re: GSR VS Z
new integras are known as RSXs, and dyno 160@ wheels, not 147. And he's talking about a GSR, a lighter version w/ 175hp stock, and about 140@ wheels. It might be fwd, but he'll still lose. The ZX is a pig when it comes to weight, and the GSR is 2600lbs or so with a near empty tank. not to mention the tranny's final drive is 4.42:1
09-25-2002, 04:30 PM
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I ran up against myt friends GSR and took him out. on the freeway too. i got an 83 280 zx runnin' ,high 13's,low 14's.engine is stock. jus' have some bolt on power.
09-25-2002, 09:17 PM
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280zx weighs in between 2800lbs and 3100lbs depending on driver trim level 2+2 etc
So the weight difference isn't a huge factor since the Z has a definite advantage in the torque department. Where you can beat him is off the line, practice your launches and you can beat alot of fwd cars since thier front tires spin off the line quite easily.
The only integra i havn't beaten is a type-r but i've never tried either. The RS's and GS's got wasted, wasn't even a contest.
So the weight difference isn't a huge factor since the Z has a definite advantage in the torque department. Where you can beat him is off the line, practice your launches and you can beat alot of fwd cars since thier front tires spin off the line quite easily.
The only integra i havn't beaten is a type-r but i've never tried either. The RS's and GS's got wasted, wasn't even a contest.
09-26-2002, 08:32 AM
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YA! That's right. The 280ZX is a pig?!? Everyone says that, but I've seen some sources that say the ZX weighs less than a 280Z. They aren't much heavier than most other modern cars. Having a fat driver might make more of a difference than anything! :-D
09-26-2002, 10:17 AM
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Its just the fad that people think that integras are fast, and personally i'm sick of it.
09-26-2002, 10:35 AM
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I am sick of all those dam punks in those fixed up hondas and acura but cant drive them for [censored]. I see so many hit things out here. They have hoods qaurter panels and other front end damage. They are a joke. I race any honda I can and have never lost. The only car to kick my *** was a Porsche 935DB Turbo. he played me til we hit 100 then he just drove away like i was sitting still. I was driving a 70 240 at the time with triple webers. That was an *** wiping I never want to have happen again.
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09-26-2002, 10:56 AM
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That's the problem with a 6-cyl. It seems to have no power once you're in 4th gear. I suppose a turbo 280zx would be much better. The porshe was most likely a turbo six.
09-26-2002, 04:40 PM
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Looks like everyone is split on who will win, the best way to find out is to race him
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09-28-2002, 12:45 PM
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Re: get the facts straight
Destrega, I found an article and it says 135BHP not 170BHP for 280ZX. There,s a lot of different opinions here and dont know who to trust, maybe this article is wrong to. I would realy like to know exact figures crank - wheels. Mine car is 81 280 zx 2+2 and I had N42 block + N42 head and raced my friends 91 FWD Opel Kadett GSI 2.0 16V with 150 HP and 2190 pounds, and I can beat him 1/4 mile. Now I dont know if its 150 krank or wheels, he says wheels but than I would have no chance to beat him if my car has 135 BHP like article says or Ben's 145 at the crank. If the GSI's 150 is crank he is still 800 pounds lighter than mine car and guy knows how to drive. I now have F54 and N42 with everything else stock like the last engine N42. Here is the article.
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