OrangeZ32

Hey all, got back from the track not that long ago. My little N/A ran almost exactly what i thought she'd run. Ran a 15.6 my first run and my 2nd run I ran a 15.4. Nothing amazing compared to my friend who raced next to me with this 12.4 Talon AWD. It was REAL packed cause today was the last day they were letting people race. But, once i get my clip I'll be putting down better times. But sure was a good time. Im sure some of ya have heard of Route 66 in Illinois. Always on Nascar( If anyone is big into nascar). My first time down there and I'd definately go next summer.

My Fairlady Z

any mods done to your z or is it bone stock? any mods done to the talon? details Orange details!

OrangeZ32

If ya read my sig, it says my mods but my buddies talon is awd, he's got 4" all the way back, 20g turbo 27psi, built engine Pistons, Rods.Bored out (not exactly sure how much). But man, it hauled *****, all you'd hear is his turbo spool, and he'd be way away from the guy next to him. His first run he blew an intercooler tube off, coasted down the track.

91zxtt

27psi....damn. However, with that much boost and AWD, I'd expect better than a 12.4 though. He should've sunk his $ into a Z32 TT.

My Fairlady Z

haha you positive hes runnin that much boost? wow because it does seem like he would be runnin better then 12.4's, hmm odd...lol 20 grand for a 12.4..? seems odd...or did you mean type of turbo..hmm *confused*

91zxtt

I thought the same thing. 20k turbos. Is that a brand or the cost? If I dropped $20k on mods, I'd be pissed if I only ran 12's.

91zxtt

I'm really hoping it's a brand because who in their right mind would spend $20k in mods on a Talon???

OrangeZ32

On the dsms' thats one of the size turbos they make for the car

My Fairlady Z

lol oh makes more sense now..i was kinda feelin bad for they guy to drop 20 grand in a car and not even break into the exclusive 10's lol jk

Shameless

Ya i got friend with a TSI scared me when he said 16g because i would have though 16 would have warented more power than what he had.......but its the size of the turbos on the dsm's i think the go 14, 16, 18, and 20 im pretty sure thats all the sizes they have.

CaptainZ

He speaks the truth. Stock, they run 13 psi(T-25 Turbo), and pull a 15.5-15.9 1/4 time, so he doubled the boost and dropped his 1/4 by 3 seconds. That 1/4 mile time is all turbo. A few more mods for tuning like cams and such should get him into mid 11's. Plus he may very well have been running on pump gas??? Being that I was into the dsm scene for a long time, it wouldnt suprise me. But at 27 psi, that would be very hard no doubt. There was a non-turbo dsm, with an aftermarket turbo kit that ran 10's. The thing was awesome. I dont know if you have heard of him, but his name is bill hahn. His website is www.hahnracecraft.com . Awesome site, plus they make awesome parts. I am sure he poured alot of time into that car, and it didnt hurt that he could make/fab parts, or get parts at wholesale cost. Anyway. I traded mine in for a na z32. What a mistake . I like the z32, but my dsm was so much easier to work on.

My Fairlady Z

wait timeout..you said stock they run 14 psi and ran high 15's?? well doesnt the N/A Z run low 15s stock? lol the specs on a N/A Z is 222 horse 198 torque and its RWD..the Stock TSI AWD Talons are 205-210 horse 214 torque and also I thought they ran 7 psi stock..hmm cuz ive driven my sisters AWD TSI stock talon and then my N/A 300zx with 3 inch all the way back and cold air and her's felt like it dominated mine..hmm and your saying they run slower then N/A Z's..doesn't make sense to me but oh well what do I know I have only driven and worked on both of them

CaptainZ

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/show...ht=factory+psi

The #1 source for dsm info. I spent entire days on that board for about a year and a half. As for the 1/4 time i posted, that is based of a gst, or front wheel drive. I did say stock was 13 psi not 14 right. There are so many variables as far as the psi and the 1/4 time goes. The 2nd generation eclipse/talon bov sucks and doesnt hold boost very well, so people switch it with a 1g bov. And with the 1/4 time, I am sure with awd or even a better driver, a stock 15.5 COULD Be improved on. I am not trying to say that I know everything about those cars, cause I dont, but from every thread I have ever read pretty much states around 13 psi stock. I will do some more digging for the stock 1/4 mile time, but honestly it doenst matter.

CaptainZ

Also, if you think about the 1st post, a awd talon at 27 psi only ran a 12.4, so at 13 psi, 15.5 doesnt seem so far off. Plus if 27 psi pulled a 12.4, then I am thinking that if factory was set at 7, the 1/4 time would be high 16's low 17's. Just a thought.

CaptainZ

According to car-stats.com, stock gst (automatic) was 15.5, and stock gsx(manual) was 15.2. So I was off, but not by much.

My Fairlady Z

Hmm it for some reason just doesn't add up to me..okay my N/A Z weighed 3300 lbs half tank, AWD TSI Talon- 3400lbs full tank i believe cant remember tho...222 horse to 210 horse...180 somethin torque to 220 torque..RWD to AWD...and the N/A still runs lower 1/4 then Talon..? hmm well I'll soon take it to the track and find out

OrangeZ32

well if ya guys dont believe me, ill come down to chicago area and check it out. It's insane I'd post the track times if i had a scanner but sadly i dont. But his engine is fully built, and has been tuned on a dyno, and on his lap top at home a billion times over so it runs perfect. It's a hoss.

91zxtt

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't believe you. I think people are squabbling over which car is faster stock. As for that, dont foget about gear ratios. The Talon and the Z likely have different gear ratios both in the tranny and the rear end. But, it really gets down to this....A built TT will smoke that Talon on any given day. With 1 turbo tied behind it's back.

CanyonCarver

right on the gearing. right on the smokin'.

My Fairlady Z

lol true but im talkin about N/A Z's..lol but both have same redline and i couldnt hit 60 in 2nd gear in the Z but i could hit it in Talon with like 700 rpm's before redline..oh well though its like the how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.. we may never know

91zxtt

Ok, so the Talon has taller gears. That could help explain why the guy's only runnin' 12's with 27 psi of boost. I'm also guessing that the Talon reaches peak power and torque at a lower RPM than the Z. That should help the Talon with fuel mileage. It would help offset the weight of the AWD. I bet that car has wicked top-end.

My Fairlady Z

I'm just about to go take her out for a test spin and see what exact redline speeds...it feels like the power just keeps going and going