islandtuner242

do you guys think it's better to buy a full front clip or just buy a engine swap

jverz

I think most people will say a front clip. That's the only real way to do a swap right.

Personally, I say sell the NA and buy a TT.

Zombie

Yeah thats what I say. Why buy a car then pay for something that you're not completely sure about when you can get the same thing alright completely, no assembly required, and, well for the most part, know what condition its in?

ZLover4Life

Only convert if your NA has sentimental value or is pristine.

And if you convert, get a front clip... you'll spend years trying to collect the small parts that you need, otherwise.

BlueKitsune

What Zlover said. lol I would know!

jverz

I swear I'm going to have the last NA on earth.

ZLover4Life

Darwinism... survival of the fittest. Twin Turbos survive.

BlueKitsune

Well they survive so long as their built right lol

jverz

Might be why the 350 and 370 don't have turbos.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-turbo. I just don't like them

ZLover4Life

They don't have turbos solely because Nissan wanted to keep the cost down to get back to the roots of the every-man's sports car. Porsche, Ferrari, Bugatti, etc all still use turbos. As does the Nissan GTR, which (to my dismay) is Nissan's flagship.

jverz

Heheh. Yeah, I knew as soon as I typed that the GTR was the argument against. But my argument against that argument is that the GTR motor was built as well as could be that turbos became necessary to break the NA limit. It is my opinion that too many cars rely on turbo chargers instead of mechanical excellence.

ZLover4Life

The fact that your NA will never see 300hp without nitrous or a non-street-legal build is a testament to the fact that the VG30 couldn't be made more powerful while meeting emissions standards without forced induction.

Think your counter-arguments through a bit more, next time... that was way to obvious and easy to respond to. lol

Future_gohan

Clip if you have the money! Then you also have rhd. haha!

JDMENGINEIMPORT

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ZLover4Life

... looks like spam to me...

2jcoupe

My 95 is pristine as they come... its definitely getting the swap by way of front clip. Also keep in mind the N/A 300zx comes with less weight than the Twin turbo With NO hicas which most real drivers remove anyway.

2jcoupe

LOL your in the wrong place maybe you should switch to Cadillac instead....

WanganDevilZ

Maybe if he were like "Yeah man imma drop a v8 in there cause v8 is real engine jdm import suck dick domestic tha best"

Otherwise.

ZLover4Life

Uh, most "real" drivers DON'T remove HICAS. There are a few who remove it for weight savings (they also gut their interiors, but I'd like to remind you that the 300ZX is a GT car, means for comfort and speed), but there are many who leave HICAS fully intact (speak to Luke Pavlick at TireRack about HICAS - he tracked his Twin Turbo nearly weekly at TireRack's proving grounds and LOVES HICAS).

Top reasons for removing HICAS:

1) You're a moron who thinks they're a professional driver and HICAS "cramps your style." (I've seldom heard a skilled driver badmouth the system, they just tend to prefer the weight savings and taller NA gear.)

2) Legitimate weight savings. (By legitimate, I don't mean they removed HICAS and nothing else; I mean these people are building track-use cars. To remove HICAS and only a few other things is utterly retarded, as it's removing weight from the wrong end - the car is front heavy, and you want to make the rear lighter? Dumb.)

3) Your HICAS system was malfunctioning. (Which is rare.)



I've left HICAS on both my Twin Turbos, and my next Twin Turbo will also still have HICAS. The smart people who build street cars leave HICAS. The morons who build street cars and the hardcore track racers are the ones who remove it - the former being FAR more common.


Considering the 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 350Z, and 370Z are all naturally aspirated, I'd say FI isn't the norm in the Z world. I'd also say that anybody whose screen name starts with 2J probably belongs on SupraForums...

jverz

If I had HICAS I'd leave it on.

ZLover: How street-legal are we talking? If it's just "pass emissions", I'll take the challenge.

hoov100

I'm on the fence with HICAS, I love it when it works correctly, but I hate it when I have to deal with leaks. I think it's more of you're personal preference if you want to remove it or not regardless of the reason. I removed the one on my sisters TT because I didn't want to deal with fixing it and I feel it makes the car more predictable without it.

But removing it for the weight saving (maybe 30 at the most) is just kinda stupid, but removing it because you don't like it or don't want it, or want to deal with fixing it doesn't make you a moron, it doesn't make you anything all it makes you is a z32 owner with an opinion on their car and how it should be.

jverz

There be no room in forums for opinions!

ZLover4Life

You'll never pass emissions on a VG30DE that makes over 300rwhp. (And I don't mean have one tune [with or without nitrous] that makes 300+ rwhp on race fuel with the cats removed, and another tune that passes emissions - I mean having a car that will dyno 300+rwhp and then drive to the emissions facility and pass without anything changed. Stage III Twin Turbos will do this all day long, and my GT2530'd TT did it when I had cats installed, too.)

I encourage you to try (I'm all about advancement of our technology), but it's never been done... and others have tried. (Google it... found posts by people asking "how can I get 300hp out of my NA without converting to TT?" and the responses are like "pray"... I found it amusing.)

Here's the only 300rwhp NA I've ever heard of:


... it's a drag car, and clearly not street legal.

jverz

I won't butcher the poor thing.

I'll see what I can do and post the results pass or fail.
It'll be a while. I have a little one now and she sucks up more money than my cars ever did.

Edit:
Oh and I'm not going to pretend this is economical. It's cheaper to buy a faster can than to make any car faster. Those factory engineers usually know what they're doing.

I know well ahead of time it'll cost more than a TT with mods to get even close to 300hp.
This will be the kind of project I constantly tried to talk customers out of doing. I just want to see if I can do it.

To anyone else reading if you want a 300hp Z32 just get a TT.

jverz

I'm thinking about stroking the motor. Think this'll work?