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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 08:47 AM
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I always hated the monster tachs on dash PICS

However next time mine will mount there haha .. it took me a good 9 hours of my life but it looks somewhat decent in my book ..

As you can see i cut a hole in the 'glas' so i can still dail in the shift light, apart from the the whole tach can turn so i can get used part in sight more .. as i doubt my z will do 10K like the Bonneville car



As you see here you need to cut the print for the tach to fit, and you have to disassemble the tach as wel.
Not completely finished as i brushed off the leads became obsolete. I rerouted them by soldering wires, and have a couple left to do as i run out of time.
Next to that i cut another print to keep the original plugs working .. they wont fit jammed next to the tach and some of the pins have been rerouted as the came in harms way.


Far from done just dangling there but here is the bigger picture



so if you want a tach like this .. buy an s30 or spent a decent amount of time

BTW you ' need' one like this with the Mallory hi fire systems as the stock tach does not like signal from the high discharges unit as much.
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 09:33 AM
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wow frank, you have a 260kph tach, mine only goes to 220, you got any spares like that? and very nice instal job. if you use msd instead, they use a tach adapter and then you dont need the aftermarket guage, i found 5 minutes of my time easier, but for race car that needs accurate rpm indication, tht is exactly what you need.
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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i have more 250 kmh this goes to 270 kph .. i have one more but i like spares somewhat .. i can see if i can find more.. as they are bound to be out here

I heard about nismo units that go to 300 and 10 k ! i never seen one though
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 01:17 PM
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That is an excellent job Frank. Very clean and well thought out. It may take a lot of time, but the result will be unique and well worth it!

I, too, don't like the look of large tachs mounted on top of the dash. Way too rice! Aside from the fact that I have a pristine original black dash that I don't want to screw holes into, I prefer a natural look.

The only thing I don't like about the shift light mounted in the tach down in the main cluster is that it puts the shift light too far below my line of sight. It's fine for street driving or drag racing, but when you're road racing and looking out ahead 2 or 3 turns, I prefer the shift light to be well within my line of sight.

I mounted an AutoMeter Quick Lite shift light just to the left of the gauge bezel even with the top of the dash. At only 3/4" in diameter I was able to mount it flush with the dash. It's easily visible in my peripherial vision and mostly unobtrusive. It's all of $40 from Summit Racing:

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

Your ZX-R is looking good. Keep up the hard work!

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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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Thanks for the compliment

Yeah i will absolutely mount another one for track use if this one is not bright enough.. further more i tend do race more on my ears then i do on gauges .. just with entering or coming from the corner i would have an eye on them
But ill mike it pluggable or audible orso dont need it there all the time to 'rice'..
The other meters in the radio spot are programmable and give warning when the reach as certain preset level (oil temp en exhaust gas temp).

Nice style shif lite BTW ill keep that one in mind !

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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 02:20 PM
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300kph! wow, anything above 220kph would be nice, but 270 would be ultimate, so i can tell the cops how fast i was really going
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 02:34 PM
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damn thats clean...and **** 270kpm is exactally what i need, since i've done the 220kpm a few times already....well thats when the car wants to work....Looks sick tho, and if you want to ever sell that zx-r wing i'll be in the market.
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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oh i dont think he will sell a very rare wing. if you go to cardomain, there are a few zx-r owners selling there cars. they havent given me a price yet, but there is one crazy guy on ebay selling his for 25,000. that seems a wee bit high, by like 10,000
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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yeah i know i was just joshin him..lol. I love that wing tho, and 25K for a zx-r is way to much...especially since their just n/a's with nothing special...quick question how hard would it be to supercharge a carb'd n/a...like triple carbs or so....no probably just 2.
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 03:01 PM
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haha as hard as it would be to turbo them .. there are HKS surge tanks for blow trough turbos.. however it is an absolute nightmare to get them to run right over the whole power band as you cant just up the duty cycle of the carb

im still thinking of going dual .. super and turbo .. however .. a wild idea .. and it will probably stay that It should be one of the two the two first .. work out the gremlins.. then ad a sc

doesn't MSA sell the wings ? a s30 wing fits perfect !! no issues
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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yeah msa sells wings but nothing like the one you got...plus its not as special as that one is....

oh and frank, weren't you the one who did the five lug front swap?...just wondering any info on that, and what all it took, parts wise, and modification wise...Just wondering
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 03:08 PM
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yeah i did still not happy with it enough to disclose the list .. it works .. but you loose camber.. and on the track you need it!
It brakes perfect no issues on the track at all!.. however tracks are closed for the season .. and i have to do some more mods for it to make me happy about it.
i cant get enough camber thus far

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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 03:44 PM
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msa does sell the zxr style wing with the lip on it, i got the one with no lip, so i get some downforce on the street, but dont cause lots of drag.
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 03:55 PM
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ok on the z31 front end swap..and will it work on the s30's...like the 240z?...Cause thats what i'm going to trade off to until i find some real money..lol....And yeah msa has a few cool spoilers but nothing like the zx-r they are just bad a$$...So camber's the angle of the tires compared to the street?...and track goer's like -3 or so...I don't know just wondering!
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by frank280zx
haha as hard as it would be to turbo them .. there are HKS surge tanks for blow trough turbos.. however it is an absolute nightmare to get them to run right over the whole power band as you cant just up the duty cycle of the carb
Correct. Although it's not as hard to tune as Frank would let you believe... If they're jetted properly, you can get decent driveability and good A/F ratio's under boost... 20+ psi of boost anyway...

Here's a domestic example with triple Mikuni's:




But it goes in this car:



Originally Posted by frank280zx
im still thinking of going dual .. super and turbo .. however .. a wild idea .. and it will probably stay that It should be one of the two the two first .. work out the gremlins.. then ad a sc
The question is, do you run them in series or in parallel?

If you could rig up some kind of bypass so when the turbo comes up on boost, it will actuate a pressure valve that will switch to an alternate intake system that bypasses the SC. You could even rig it to use the same intercooler.

The intake would Y to each input on the SC & Turbo then the output from each would Y back together with a pressure valve between them. Once the variable boost pressure of the turbo exceeds the static boost pressure of the Supercharger, the valve would swing open on the turbo side and closed on the SC side. Then you have to figure out how to let the SC free-wheel or release it's pressure through a blow off valve so it's not making pressure.

It's an interesting problem.

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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 04:52 PM
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This site may give you some ideas Lots of power! Even if it is a hyundai ideas could be thought up from it.
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lww
The question is, do you run them in series or in parallel?

If you could rig up some kind of bypass so when the turbo comes up on boost, it will actuate a pressure valve that will switch to an alternate intake system that bypasses the SC. You could even rig it to use the same intercooler.

The intake would Y to each input on the SC & Turbo then the output from each would Y back together with a pressure valve between them. Once the variable boost pressure of the turbo exceeds the static boost pressure of the Supercharger, the valve would swing open on the turbo side and closed on the SC side. Then you have to figure out how to let the SC free-wheel or release it's pressure through a blow off valve so it's not making pressure.

It's an interesting problem.
been tried/thought, no clear cut good way to do it. i have one idea that would work, but only in theory, who knows with al the heat and actual RPM's and other stress factors... but in theory it would be the perfect design. just not worth it though. choes one or the other... turbo or supercharg.

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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by snwbrderphat540
in theory it would be the perfect design. just not worth it though.
Uhhh... Isn't that by definition, why we mess with old Japanese cars? To do the things that are really cool, but hardly worth the effort in the end?
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 06:04 PM
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no... lol... haha... if your gonna spend time and money why wouldnt it be worth while lol.. see thats called ricer... full body kits neons huge aluminum wing... doing thinkgs hardly worth the effort lol.
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 07:45 PM
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in the 2008 ford 450, it has 2 turbos, one small one big, the small one bypasses when the large one starts boosting big psi, the small is used to get the large one to spool very quickly and produce massive hp and torque #'s at all rpm ranges. there are only 2 built, one here locally right now for testing, ive seen it, its ugly, but wow!
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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Ugly? no, that ***** bad, kind of like a semi mixed with f150 styling...You can buy them with CAT motors...oh man...there hella sick...lol
Old Dec 17, 2006 | 10:55 PM
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yeah but as shady said they are a Ford product. jim cook racing has a supercharger for carb'd z's. Not sure how much though, I was talking to them about one for a injected car. (which they don't make)
Old Dec 18, 2006 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by snwbrderphat540
been tried/thought, no clear cut good way to do it. i have one idea that would work, but only in theory, who knows with al the heat and actual RPM's and other stress factors... but in theory it would be the perfect design. just not worth it though. choes one or the other... turbo or supercharg.
well the delta s4 was pretty successful in rally ( group 4) also the nissan march was factory super turbo

looking at the alpine site they do exactly the same as how i figured it ..blow the turbo trough the IC then in to the SC .. that is also my plan ...

Problem is im kind of bound to use my M3 ITBS as wel and that will start to get complex.. so if i want a supercharger... it means no ITBS but the modification of my Diesel intake i guess..
And No this would generate max power .. but a nice flat power curve .. im planning on getting 350 to the wheels.. with a mild cam an a stock turbo blok .. when it goes poof .. i want to go 3.0 liter with forged pistons and a diesel crank.
However the sc would always spin .. as i haven't found an solution for that ( AC pump wheel )

All in my head and yes not the best for maximum power .. but hey imagine the sound!

And given if you choose either one or the other ... the turbo would be easy HP .. the 400's are just around the corner ..

The SC has a OEM bypass valve as it is of a Pontiac.

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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 08:49 AM
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You did a great job Frank! That looks really awesome.


You coming to MSA again next year?




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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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Booking a ticket end of this month so i guess ill be there ..
at some point with a car haha !!

Planning on bringing home some parts like sway bars and hopefully some rewinds
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