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Guys, I've been watching posts and replies for a while now, and I wanted to voice my opinion that you guys need to be more responsive when a member posts a question or an opinion. Alot of posts go unanswered and I think that's a shame considering how much some of you guys know about these cars. There are people out there who really need help, and zdriver.com should be a place where they can come and find that help. SO, as an encouragment, why don't we all try to help eachother out more? If you see a post and you know something about it, go ahead and help with it. I don't mean to put any of you down, I just would love the day that no posts go unanswered and there is a surplus of Datsun knowledge flowing amongst us:) Thanks guys-ZBeGone

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I agree, I am new to working on cars in general. I bought a Z and joined for some help and advice on here. But I have posted a few that went unanswered. I am not much help for all the technical questions, but if I have stumbled across the answer, I try and help...

War will cease when men refuse to fight. - Fridtjof Hansen

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I agree, I find myself not answering posts that I know the answer to. When I first started I Always jumped in with my $0.02 worth. Now when I see a question posted that I have seen 15 times before, I find it hard to find the energy to answer it yet again.

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Still, i no very little about cars, this being my first, but i still no a little about 240z from just looking at sites on the internet and i try to help when ever i can

Alan, Australia

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i answer whatever questions i know the answer to, the questions that i have no clue about means that I havn't done it or fixed it on my car yet.. hehe

<font color=blue>76 260z</font color=blue>
The NiteRider

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That's exactly why I joined yesterday. I found this site a couple nites ago looking for suspension through my usual browser and have been back every nite since. My 6yo son came home this evening and he wanted to see the cars. So he and I sat here and oh-ed and ah-ed together gauking at the pics of kewl karz. It appeared to me that here I would be safe in asking dump questions and get as much support and feedback as Alan who can't get his ride crankin. I got my '81 zx when "the wife" and I started dating. 10 years later, 2 kids, 3 tranny's, 1 alt-radiator-water pump-headgasket (I'll not list ALL here) we are still here. I live in north Georgia and I can handle most but those damn 740 bimers. It's such a thrill for me that my 21 yo, 300k+ mile, stock zx can play with the big doggs. Butwhile checking out this site it was obvious to me that there was alot of mature professional posts worth reading. As I said I am now married man and have a stock 280zx 2+2, that's right "their not ugly", that I want to pump up the volume on. And in doing so I hope to make some new friends @ zdriver at the same time. If I may add to ZBG - the more info you provide the better the answer. I'm looking forward to contributing and may all your dreams be ZZZZZZZZZZZZz

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Do I ask alot of Questions?

Alan, Australia

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a few - but they're all good [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img]

I'm not getting much done on my car right now, so it's good for me to still work on Zeds - even if they're not mine. It keeps me in touch!!!

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its good to see i can be of service ;-/

Alan, Australia

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I'd have to agree with gerryG a bit though .... i have found just recently i have written simular information in two or three posts, and then i get a bit worried people will get ticked off with it and think that i dont shut up or im trying to advertise businesses i use.

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Don't stop replying to posts guys. My 76 280z is the 4th one I've owned. The first one that I have actually did most of the work on. Knowledge is power and its always nice to share ;)

Warren

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Thanks ZBeGone,

I constantly spend a ton of time working on this site but me myself have rare time to respond to the posts.If people were to interatct more with the site it would be nice. I mean there are so many poeple that come to this site for information and so many that come that could share information and assist others.

I know I am always willing to help fellow zer's =)

Kyle

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It is interesting to see the amount of members of this site, but it is always the same few who answer questions. Is it just lots of these people don't come back or what? I would also like to thank the same guys who answer question after question, i think it is safe to say their help is much appreciated by everyone

Alan, Australia

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I think this is the best site for Z help. I have a little knowledge of first gen Z,s. So I try to help when i can. I also appreciate the help everyone else gives out freely. this site works so well because we are all here for the same reason to make are,s and anyone else Z the best it can be. Keep up the good work.
Thank you all for the help...........

Shane Morton 78 280Z owner.
Z me go - Z me show - Z me gone

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I've posted here, at zcar.com and at 240z.org just to name a few. I've noticed that some of you guys who are asking questions, will ask the same question in all three places. I understand that, when I look for answers I don't just look in one place, but when you post in all three places, by the time you've seen the 3rd post by the same person (because the log-in name is the same), you kind of think, why bother? Figuring he'll either read it at one of the other places where you DID post the answer, or if he doesn't it's his problem for having posted the same thing three times.

Many of us, ALSO go to all the other places, and no doubt we also miss places. No one ever wants to tell others about these other places so you pretty well find them little by little as people, oops, post them.

I think the idea of the Denim Shirt is great! That way people at meets will at least see the name and in turn log in and check the place out. Should there be more activity, probably. But that activity isn't going to happen if all we are doing is copying from another site and re-posting the information here simply because people are posting the same question all over the place.

Additionally, (While I'm up on my soapbox.) if you guys are looking for GOOD answers, part of it is in asking GOOD questions.

Asking, "I wanna put 60" woofers in my car, what do you think?". Obviously makes one think a) the guy posting the question is a total idiot; b) this is a prank and they're seeing how many idiots will answer. c) He really has no clue, is absolutely convinced that that is the only way he's going to get rid of the road noise, and no amount of discussion is going to dissuade him from the fact that he has no clue.

That also goes with other questions; "I want the BEST seats for my car. Which ones do you guys think? OH, and I also don't want to spend more than $100 and they should be Leather and not need recovering."
Yeah, sure, a pair of seats, under $100 in Leather and he wants Recaros or something out of a Lamborghini, whatever you are smoking....stop, you've already gone too far.

I'm sure others will say that I'm just griping and if I don't like / want to answer these questions then don't. Well, that's what this whole posting is about. The lack of people posting. If we get people to post then the communication walls break down and people interact.

OH, one last thing. It helps when you post back at a later time to tell people that replied to you that what you found out from their posting was INDEED the answer to your problem. This is part of the communication cycle. People who know, either know it from getting a degree from the school of hard knocks, or have paid close attention to those people who went to that school and got a PHD. When I get a thanks later because the guy figured out his electrical problem on something I posted, or adjusted his window / door /hatch / hood and it's now working properly based on the instructions I posted, I feel like helping him some more. When I get no reply, then the next time I see "NEED HELP, PLEASE READ" I'll rethink looking and also posting.

Just my 2¢

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I cant agree with you on idiot thing on speakers or seats...I dont know where you are getting this from but guys like me want to know how and or if it can be done. Some people like me want different things for their car, not just repair but beyond that. It's ok that if dont like cars that cause your pictures rattle when they go by your house. At the same time they are not idiots and they are not trying to get rid of road noise either. Many times I find myself turning down the stereo to find out if my Z is ok..but seriously must YOU call guys like me idiots cause we want to find out if it can be done?

zero comes into play as I run through your streets

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I don't think it was a personal attack on you, I think it was more of a general statement, and a good one in my opinion. It's hard to know whether or not someone is pulling your chain when they ask a totally outrageous question. Maybe you do want to put 60 subs in your car, maybe you're just checking to see what comes back? I have a kickin stereo in my car too, we're not all purists.

I think the real point was if you want a good answer, ask a well worded question. I see tons of questions on this site that don't actually make any sense and you have to ask several more questions just to find out what the person wanted to know in the first place.

Just my 2 cents

The Beast is back and badder than ever!

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Skaitan: Thank you. No my posting wasn't intended for any one individual or group of individuals nor even a given defineable sector of the population, in any manner, fashion or form.

There's a saying that says: If the shoe fits, then wear it. Apparently Neochron has chosen to do just that. I don't know this individual, nor was I addressing any one specific post by anyone, nor was I addressing people who choose to play their music loud, ("Many times I find myself turning down the stereo to find out if my Z is ok") but apparently this person feels that I've singled him out specifically. I'll apologize even though as you pointed out, I was making a general comment. Neochron remember this: Just because the shoe fits, doesn't mean it's yours to wear.

What I was addressing is the type of question where a little bit of thought by the poster would give him the answer. Think about it before you post! A 60" woofer is TALLER than the 240Z, it is AS WIDE as the distance accross the width of your hood from fender flare to fender flare. How in the heck are you going to get a SINGLE 60" woofer into your car, let alone more than one? Unfortunately, the point I was trying to make isn't that people who put woofers into their cars are idiots, but rather that questions such as the one I posted ("I wanna put 60" woofers in my car, what do you think?") are stupid. I could just as easily asked, "Since concrete is such a good insulator, what do you think about filling my fenders and doors with it to avoid the road noise that's driving me crazy?" or "Sun glare through my windshield gives me a major headache, what do you think about painting my windshield with black paint so the glare doesn't bother me? Do you think I should use Satin Black or Flat Black?" The answer to these questions is to ignore them. That's why they don't get a post from those of us who have some knowledge on the matter.

Skaitan said it best:
"I think the real point was if you want a good answer, ask a well worded question. I see tons of questions on this site that don't actually make any sense and you have to ask several more questions just to find out what the person wanted to know in the first place. "

EXACTLY! Sometimes the question just totally befuddles you, and you must spend several minutes or days probing and asking for those items that were so "obvious" as to not be posted, only to discover that had the individual posted them he could have had an answer in a short while. That's what the 60" woofer question was about. Go out and measure your car, ANY CAR, and tell me if you can get a 60" woofer into it, and still use it as a car and not a rolling boom box. Sometimes the questions are so obviously stupid as to not merit an answer, othertimes they appear stupid because the poster ommitted so much critical information. So, people WITH the answers ignore those posts, and then everyone gets mad because no one is answering his / her or other's posts.

So Neochron in answer to a question you posed: "but seriously must YOU call guys like me idiots cause we want to find out if it can be done?". Neochron, SOMETIMES the answer to that question is an ABSOLUTE YES, other times, NOT AT ALL.

If you want to see if you can jump off the Golden Gate Bridge and do a belly-flop, go for it, most of us would agree that there are other ways of commiting suicide. The Darwin Awards are given to those individuals who best exemplify failures in attempting to see "if it can be done". Then again, the successes are listed in the Guinness Book of Records or in the annals of the Patent Office.

Just my 2¢

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I probably should have signed off before posting this as I am probably going to tick quite a few people off. First thing, if you ask a well worded question, you will more than likely get a good reply reguardless of how "stupid" the question may seem. I am not going to copy Neochron's post here but I am going to write a gramatically correct copy of it here.

I can't agree with you on the idiot thing on speakers or seats. I don't know where you are getting this from, but guys like me want to know how or if it can be done. Some people, like myself, want different things for their cars, not just to repair them, but beyond that. It is okay if you don't like cars that cause your pictures to rattle as they go by your house. At the same time they are not idiots, and are not trying to get rid of road noise either. Many times I find myself turning down the stereo to find out if my Z is okay...but seriously must YOU call guys like me idiots because we want to find out if it can be done?

What I am trying to point out is that most of us on these lists do not know each other on a personal level, and that the only interaction we have with each other is through e-mail and electrons. If a person writes a post, or serveral of them, or all of them with bad gramatics and bad spelling, and words that don't exist, then I think they are an idiot. Simply because that electronic interaction is the only thing I have to base an opinion on. It is a simple concept, use proper english, at least some of the time, and I will be willing to answer. Use eubonics, or improper english, or whatever it is that they allow people in the state of California to graduate with (I am being funny now) and I probably will not respond. So Neochron in response to your post, NO I do not call guys like you idiots for wanting to see if it can be done. But even my wife looks at some of the posts I try to decypher and asks "What F***ing idiot wrote that?" Okay I better get off my soapbox now.


Russell Buckwalter
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