SCCA Walnut Ridge FP Final results
03-20-2005, 03:21 PM
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SCCA Walnut Ridge FP Final results
Here we go fresh of the website final FP Results for SCCA Solo Tour Event
at Walnut Ridge , Arkansas .
F Prepared Trophies: 2 Drivers: 6 Run Heat: 2
(1)T 123 John Timothy Thomas 73 1971 Nissan 240Z 88.508
(2)T 99 Tom Holt 1974 Datsun 280Z 90.541
(3) 9 Jonathan P Jackson 1973 Porsche 914-6 90.670
(4) 151 Donnie Bartalone 1972 Datsun 240 Hoosier 90.761
(5) 23 Richard Holden 1971 Datsun 240 Z 93.422
(6) 51 John W Anderson 1972 Datsun 240Z 94.463
Link to complete results list .
http://scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/so...tridge-sun.pdf
Mike
at Walnut Ridge , Arkansas .
F Prepared Trophies: 2 Drivers: 6 Run Heat: 2
(1)T 123 John Timothy Thomas 73 1971 Nissan 240Z 88.508
(2)T 99 Tom Holt 1974 Datsun 280Z 90.541
(3) 9 Jonathan P Jackson 1973 Porsche 914-6 90.670
(4) 151 Donnie Bartalone 1972 Datsun 240 Hoosier 90.761
(5) 23 Richard Holden 1971 Datsun 240 Z 93.422
(6) 51 John W Anderson 1972 Datsun 240Z 94.463
Link to complete results list .
http://scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/so...tridge-sun.pdf
Mike
Last edited by Spudz; 03-20-2005 at 03:23 PM.
03-21-2005, 10:27 AM
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Tom,
Have you got a race report for us? Would a tire warmer have helped?
PS. Any idea what makes Streilnieks and Matteucci so fast? Is DP supposed to be faster than FP now??
Have you got a race report for us? Would a tire warmer have helped?
PS. Any idea what makes Streilnieks and Matteucci so fast? Is DP supposed to be faster than FP now??
Last edited by jburge01; 03-21-2005 at 10:56 AM.
03-22-2005, 12:09 PM
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Here's the write up I posted to our local mail list:
Kind of a sloppy start to the season for me and FP... Knowing John Thomas
was running had me only worried about him. I was a little too confident that
I didn't have to worry about the others in the class. Others in the class
were Jay Jackson, the event master... Richard Holden - Co driving with JT
and John Anderson (the class elder at about 70+ years) and his new co driver
this year, Donny something. Jay must have pissed off the National staff
because FP were the first cars out (after a few FJ karts). It was probably
40-45 degrees at start time with class heats of 60ish, so getting ANY warmth
in the tires was near impossible.
Kind of like Greg mentioned it wasn't easy to keep up with the preliminary
results. As best as I could tell I was pretty solidly in 2nd after 2 runs on
Saturday. I looked for results but couldn't find them. I improved slightly
on my third run so I figured all was the same... After a while I learned
that Jay had busted off a great last run and was about 1/10th off of JT. ( I
was about 1 second back...) Finally during second heat I finally asked
someone where the times were posted. Turns out they were INSIDE the impound
trailer, out of the wind. Thats when I found out Donny had snuck in under me
on his last run putting me in 4th. That was pretty much the end of my
cockiness... On Sunday I wasn't going to let myself get beat by some guy
named Donny somebody. To try and offset the cold I warmed up the car in the
trailer and then sealed it up tight with a propane heater going full blast.
Then I waited until the last minutes to get to grid and wrapped the car.
After each run I had the tire insulators on with the wrap around that. I was
trying to retain every calorie of heat I could. The gods smiled on my
efforts and broke Jay's steering rack on his second run and kept Donny from
fully waking up. I told Steve to watch my last run on Sunday because it was
either going to be really fast or really ugly. About half way through the
run I paid homage to Greg and drove right past his "Gates of Despair". At
least I knew it when I did it and tried to swerve left to at least hit the
cones and get a +3 rather than a DNF! In the end I managed to leap frog back
into 2nd.
John Thomas' car was making it's competitive maiden voyage and had a lot of
teething issues. On Saturday his camber plates all came loose and were
wayoff from where the should have been. He also found he had about 1/2" of
total toe out. He seemed to be working on that car all weekend. In spite of
it all he spanked us by 2 seconds. I don't think his car has anything on
mine other than a really good nut behind the wheel! He'll be a lot faster as
he works out the bugs and when we are running in a warmer time and place.
Also as a side note, Brian Matteucci was running in our 1st heat in DSP and
turned times that only Erik Strelnieks and a couple of open wheeled Mod cars
could beat in the last heat. If you're in DSP in the Houston Tour, you
better bring your A game or just plan on cheating!
Tom
Kind of a sloppy start to the season for me and FP... Knowing John Thomas
was running had me only worried about him. I was a little too confident that
I didn't have to worry about the others in the class. Others in the class
were Jay Jackson, the event master... Richard Holden - Co driving with JT
and John Anderson (the class elder at about 70+ years) and his new co driver
this year, Donny something. Jay must have pissed off the National staff
because FP were the first cars out (after a few FJ karts). It was probably
40-45 degrees at start time with class heats of 60ish, so getting ANY warmth
in the tires was near impossible.
Kind of like Greg mentioned it wasn't easy to keep up with the preliminary
results. As best as I could tell I was pretty solidly in 2nd after 2 runs on
Saturday. I looked for results but couldn't find them. I improved slightly
on my third run so I figured all was the same... After a while I learned
that Jay had busted off a great last run and was about 1/10th off of JT. ( I
was about 1 second back...) Finally during second heat I finally asked
someone where the times were posted. Turns out they were INSIDE the impound
trailer, out of the wind. Thats when I found out Donny had snuck in under me
on his last run putting me in 4th. That was pretty much the end of my
cockiness... On Sunday I wasn't going to let myself get beat by some guy
named Donny somebody. To try and offset the cold I warmed up the car in the
trailer and then sealed it up tight with a propane heater going full blast.
Then I waited until the last minutes to get to grid and wrapped the car.
After each run I had the tire insulators on with the wrap around that. I was
trying to retain every calorie of heat I could. The gods smiled on my
efforts and broke Jay's steering rack on his second run and kept Donny from
fully waking up. I told Steve to watch my last run on Sunday because it was
either going to be really fast or really ugly. About half way through the
run I paid homage to Greg and drove right past his "Gates of Despair". At
least I knew it when I did it and tried to swerve left to at least hit the
cones and get a +3 rather than a DNF! In the end I managed to leap frog back
into 2nd.
John Thomas' car was making it's competitive maiden voyage and had a lot of
teething issues. On Saturday his camber plates all came loose and were
wayoff from where the should have been. He also found he had about 1/2" of
total toe out. He seemed to be working on that car all weekend. In spite of
it all he spanked us by 2 seconds. I don't think his car has anything on
mine other than a really good nut behind the wheel! He'll be a lot faster as
he works out the bugs and when we are running in a warmer time and place.
Also as a side note, Brian Matteucci was running in our 1st heat in DSP and
turned times that only Erik Strelnieks and a couple of open wheeled Mod cars
could beat in the last heat. If you're in DSP in the Houston Tour, you
better bring your A game or just plan on cheating!
Tom
03-22-2005, 12:37 PM
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As additional info to the message below and to respond to the specific questions I'm posting this as a ZDriver.com exclusive!
Donnie Bartalone, as someone mentioned, is co driving with John Anderson this year. John is a great guy and is getting into his 70's now. His car is a well sorted, well built car with a Rebello engine. For the last few years has been recruiting younger guys to drive the car at National events to help showcase his car and to hopefully get them hooked on running in our class. Michael Tews drove it well the last couple of years in Topeka, along with Lukas Anderson (John's son) and others. Donnie drove the car for the first time this past weekend and did REALLY well. This was also his first event of the season so he was learning a new car AND shaking off the cobwebs. I'll be watching out for him in Kansas this year.
SS, DSP and DP are all SUPPOSED to be slower than FP, but we forgot to tell thos guys that this weekend. Erik Strelnieks (SS) is undeniably one of premier autocrossers in the country and is always a threat to beat FP (being from my local region, he often does beat FP!) One of the biggest contributors to SS and DP beating us this weekend was they were both in the last heat when the temps had climbed to nearly pleasant. As I mentioned in my previous post it was cold and we were the first cars in our heat. So not only were the tires hard, the course was dirty for our first runs. Brian Matteucci was running DSP in the first heat with us. He was running the Kumho 710s and from what I hear that is probably the best cold weather tire out right now. He's also a very good driver who has been developing that car to a level that many never imagined. Watch for that car to get bumped to a higher class next year.
Finally, for next weeks Houston Tour, Rick Martninez and Travis Rouse are a couple of Austin guys who are co driving Ricks car this year. Rick built the car a few years ago and then took some time off to recover financially. So far Travis has been turning the better times. The car has what would be a pretty good street motor. I think it's got flat top pistons, a hot cam and is still running SUs. They got FTD at a race in San Antonio a couple of weeks ago, so they are getting quicker! I'll keep an eye on them as well.
Tom
Donnie Bartalone, as someone mentioned, is co driving with John Anderson this year. John is a great guy and is getting into his 70's now. His car is a well sorted, well built car with a Rebello engine. For the last few years has been recruiting younger guys to drive the car at National events to help showcase his car and to hopefully get them hooked on running in our class. Michael Tews drove it well the last couple of years in Topeka, along with Lukas Anderson (John's son) and others. Donnie drove the car for the first time this past weekend and did REALLY well. This was also his first event of the season so he was learning a new car AND shaking off the cobwebs. I'll be watching out for him in Kansas this year.
SS, DSP and DP are all SUPPOSED to be slower than FP, but we forgot to tell thos guys that this weekend. Erik Strelnieks (SS) is undeniably one of premier autocrossers in the country and is always a threat to beat FP (being from my local region, he often does beat FP!) One of the biggest contributors to SS and DP beating us this weekend was they were both in the last heat when the temps had climbed to nearly pleasant. As I mentioned in my previous post it was cold and we were the first cars in our heat. So not only were the tires hard, the course was dirty for our first runs. Brian Matteucci was running DSP in the first heat with us. He was running the Kumho 710s and from what I hear that is probably the best cold weather tire out right now. He's also a very good driver who has been developing that car to a level that many never imagined. Watch for that car to get bumped to a higher class next year.
Finally, for next weeks Houston Tour, Rick Martninez and Travis Rouse are a couple of Austin guys who are co driving Ricks car this year. Rick built the car a few years ago and then took some time off to recover financially. So far Travis has been turning the better times. The car has what would be a pretty good street motor. I think it's got flat top pistons, a hot cam and is still running SUs. They got FTD at a race in San Antonio a couple of weeks ago, so they are getting quicker! I'll keep an eye on them as well.
Tom
03-22-2005, 12:52 PM
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Tom,
Thanks for the report !!!
Tom we used this on a Miata few weeks ago in fairly cool temps and then into the day when the temps climbed into the 70's. I think we were in the low 40' s temp wise on our first run. To my surprise the car hooked up even into the fist corner when cold. By the end of the day with a two driver line up and hardly anytime to cool down between runs the tires were showing severe heat issues. I think the two driver concept with the newer DOT race rubber is going to make these tires a one weekend set up in extreme heat .
I think you will see the Evo's being bumped faster then that from ESP after the results the Evo RS threw down in California the past two events .
Thats pretty cool of John to allow new drivers to run his car and keep the car alive in FP 
,And its sounds like Donnie is going to be able to run this car hard ..
Tom,
I was totally shocked to see all of you Z guys at one Event . Wonder how many of you will end up in Houston.
Mike
Thanks for the report !!!
He was running the Kumho 710s and from what I hear that is probably the best cold weather tire out right now
Brian Matteucci was running DSP in the first heat with us. He was running the Kumho 710s and from what I hear that is probably the best cold weather tire out right now. He's also a very good driver who has been developing that car to a level that many never imagined. Watch for that car to get bumped to a higher class next year.
I think you will see the Evo's being bumped faster then that from ESP after the results the Evo RS threw down in California the past two events .
Donnie drove the car for the first time this past weekend and did REALLY well. This was also his first event of the season so he was learning a new car AND shaking off the cobwebs. I'll be watching out for him in Kansas this year.
,And its sounds like Donnie is going to be able to run this car hard .. Tom,
I was totally shocked to see all of you Z guys at one Event . Wonder how many of you will end up in Houston.
Mike
Last edited by Spudz; 03-22-2005 at 04:37 PM.
03-22-2005, 02:29 PM
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>I was totally shocked to see all of you Z guys at one Event . Wonder how many of you will end
> up in Houston
That wasn't coincidental... knowing that sight was pretty central, I sent a message to most of the FP guys east of the rockies and tried to pick a fight!
Houston isn't looking nearly as good. I'll be surprised if we have more than 2 or three cars... Some people in San Antonio are talking about needing new tires... Wah....
> up in Houston
That wasn't coincidental... knowing that sight was pretty central, I sent a message to most of the FP guys east of the rockies and tried to pick a fight!
Houston isn't looking nearly as good. I'll be surprised if we have more than 2 or three cars... Some people in San Antonio are talking about needing new tires... Wah....
03-22-2005, 03:28 PM
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I know what you mean. Those San Antonio people need to suck it up and quit whining. I hate whining.
I dunno. Let me see if I can whip up a batch of my fabulous 20 minute combination facial peel/tire softener tonight and see if it is gonna be worth the $72 entry plus $150 gas + $150 hotel, etc ...
I'll decide mañana.
I still think the best case scenario is me=holt+4 or me=martinez+2.
I dunno. Let me see if I can whip up a batch of my fabulous 20 minute combination facial peel/tire softener tonight and see if it is gonna be worth the $72 entry plus $150 gas + $150 hotel, etc ...
I'll decide mañana.
I still think the best case scenario is me=holt+4 or me=martinez+2.
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