i think the actual votes by people like you an me favored obama by like only 4% or something so in that aspect it was very closer. but obama beat some *** in the electoral college so theres nothing to recount really. and to avoid voter fraud dont do electronic voting like i see so many people do i did mine on a paper ballot. also, i cant beleive you guys are so sore and irrational mixed with childish. if your truley worried something bad will happen, prepare for it and quit being such puss's about it thats what i woulda done if mccain won. and pray that if he dies palin goes with him lol.

 

dude, just about everyone who spends a decent amount of time on the internet is pissed that obama won. you should see the r1 forum

 

I dont think their are any childish things we are saying. We had good points on why this guy SHOULD NOT BE president but yet he still won. what is done is done. now when **** is going down hill i dont want to hear crap. This person can do nothing to help us. Im not saying McCain would of done better but at least we would of had something instead of nothing. Who doesnt like giving their pay check to someone who isnt working. Their wont be rich and poor people anymore just POOR people. I dont get it snw with all your luxury crap you have you seem to favor the poverty. nothing against poverty but you are what you make yourself. Is it right for all the people who go to school and get education now get fudged by the govt? Is their a point to even work now? so if you wanna start hailing hitler go right ahead but hopefully in four years you will realize what we had was great.

 

To say he kicked *** in the electoral college is questionable because I think voter fraud was rampant in the battleground states. I can't believe how early they called Pennsylvania and Ohio when those states were supposed to be close....especially after Murtha called PA folks "racist rednecks" and Obama talked about bankrupting the coal industry, I thought McCain would win PA. But they called it for Obama almost immediately which makes me suspicious.

Another example is North Carolina. I used to live there and its a VERY red state (excluding that commie ****hole Chapel Hill). I think Bush won by 15 point in 2004. Now they're telling me that all these conservative, religious people switched over to a Marxist Muslim for President. Something is just not right.

The media pretty much decided Obama was going to be the next president and nothing was going to stop them. One way or another, they were going to get him in.....be it brainwashing the masses or voter fraud. Now we're all going to pay for it.

About the only good thing about Obama winning is that he'll suck so bad, the Republicans will take over congress in 2010 and Sarah will easily win the presidency in 2012 (no matter how much the Dems try to cheat again). And 260Zturbo is right snw....how are you going to feel when you get a good job and are making good money, and Obama wants to take that money out of your pocket and give it to some unemployed dirtball???

 

i did think this was funny

 

If that were the case, 97% of blacks would have voted for McCain.

 

by the time i have a job that makes 250k a year or better, or 100k for that matter will be when im 30 so that wasnt an issue for me obama wont be prez when im makin dough. also i dont think i ever said it but i dont think obama is the best possible choice. i think he was the best choice FOR NOW out of the candidates that COULD win. otherwise i would have voted nader but no libertarian or green party will ever win unless the dem and repub options seriously blow ***. they just dont have enough popularity.

 

snw would only get money taken out of his pocket if he was making over... what.... $250k a year to give to the poor dirt bags. it makes sense for anyone not making that much to vote for obama. a tax cut is well appreciated at a time like this. i didn't think it would happen, because both my parents have 2 steady jobs that they have little to no chance of loosing, but even in my house, things are getting tight just because of the economy. they are making the same, wasting less, and still having to spend more on the every day things like food and ****. giving the lower 95% a break is a good thing right about now. i don't feel sorry for the 5% either, cause the way i see it, a lot of times they don't work as hard, and they get more money than they even know what to do with, and by the time they are making that much, they are often too old to even worry about saving for retirement. so they just invest it and kids inherit it all. i don't feel sorry for them having to pay a bit more.

 

Dude, how could you vote for Ralph Nader...he's like anti-automobile. He wrote a book on the evils of the automobile industry. That guy sucks!

 

did he write it on the evils of the automobile industry or the evils of the automobile...? if it was on the evils of the industry, it could be about how the oil companies keep buying up every patent for a clean car or killing the people that invent them or just paying off the manufacturers to not produce them like with the EV1. not too much wrong with that....

 

Are you sure its 250K? At first, it was 250K, then it was 200K, then 150K, then 125K. Before we know it, it will be 40K. Obama has proposed spending 1 TRILLION.....that money has to come from somewhere (aka taxes).

 

and mccain didn't want to spend a bit. i know.

 

No he didn't want to spend at all....not at least until the economy gets better. High spending/ high taxes during a recession = not good!!

 

I agree, you should always vote! Z-hag, you could have wrote in yourself for Prez....

 

Indeed... there's a blank for "write-ins".

Jordan for Prezzizzle! ZHag for Presidente! Numbah one stunnah!

 

Mebbe president of my own Pacific Island... Drinkin' pina coladas...

 

lol he was going to make a flying car dude! Nader is the man! haha. also it was the industry and its true. i may not like it but its true. also it wa top 5% wont get tax cuts thats 150k and up or 100k i forget then people making 250k and up get an increase THATS where all the confusion came from and the diff numbers that got tossed around making it hard for many people to realize correctly.

 

I agree...I think it was rigged. Just like when Clinton got re-elected. All I know is...I will refuse to acknowledge him as president. Just like I did with Clinton for 8 years. So anytime I see anything on the TV, internet or whatnot. I will turn away or turn it off.

 

oh you still didn't explain it well. is this correct: below 150k get a tax cut. between 150-250, they stay the same, and above 250 they get a tax increase?

 

that's a good idea. that way you are just completely un informed and you can't even hear of any good that he is doing, and you turn into just being completely un in formed instead of just dis agreeing. all this because of religion? he doesn't go against what you believe, he believes differently. i believe there is something in the bible that says to be tolerant of things like that no?

 

I made my decision after doing an insane amount of research on both major candidates. I came to the conclusion that Obama would be a better president than McCain in this exact point in time. His economic policies are more solid and have a more reasonable basis for stimulating the economy before it completely falls flat on its face. The rest of my reasoning can be found in countless threads on this site, I welcome you to research them and respond accordingly (whether it be via PM or in the thread itself).

Also, I would like to point out that not only am I not a democrat, but I think that the division of government is nothing more than a cancer that is eating away at any potential progress that we could be making as a whole. I grew up in a devout Christian household (with a military-esque upbringing), went to a Christian private school, and was born and raised in Texas (about as republican as you can get). What did I learn from all of this? To use my own means to draw my own conclusions and accept the blame for my own mistakes.

Basically:


I went into this election as an independent, voted for the person whom I thought could better serve our government at this point in time, and walked out an independent.

As far as your Sarah Palin comment, I truly hope that it was nothing but another case of sarcasm not translating through black text on a white screen.. Because if you honestly believe that Sarah Palin has a more extensive history (or is, in any way, a better choice than Barack Obama) then I honestly feel sorry for you. I'm not meaning to be an *** in any way, I'm just being honest. Sarah Palin is an embarrassment to us as a society and to have her in control would do nothing but go against the progress that we have made as a society over the past XX years. I don't care if she's a woman or not, she's an idiot and should never have been chosen by the McCain campaign to be his running mate. Do I understand the choice (to an extent)? Yes, of course I do. On paper it was a brilliant ploy to get votes. In execution it's a whole different story though. I honestly believe that I would be a better vice president (as would many of the people that I bump into at random gas stations) than Sarah Palin ever could've been.




It's ironic that you feel this way, because Obama's economic policies have already been analyzed by many economists all over the world and a large majority of them believe that it is superior to McCain's in several ways.

Our country is in a severe economic crisis, and to not vote in the person with the more solid economic policy would be, in my opinion, governmental suicide. We are at a point in time right now that America could very easily become the next Roman Empire and I believe that electing another president with a dedicated military mindset could potentially be disastrous.

I had a very hard time choosing between McCain and Obama because I believe that both are very capable and could be nothing short of fantastic leaders, but the decision became a lot clearer once McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. It showed me that he cared more about the title than he does about the safety of our country. Sarah Palin is a joke and should never be allowed to even be considered for a position of authority over our nation, especially when our nation is in the state that it is in now.

I would like to point out that the arguing is fruitless though. Obama has won the election so it's time for us to come together (for once) and start trying to fix the hellhole that this country is on the fast track to becoming. We have so many admirable and brave men and women fighting for our freedom every single day, please don't allow this country to crumble because you don't agree with the "opposition." It's this political segregation that's destroying our country so quickly, and it needs to be trashed once and for all.

Don't group every family/person in America that makes under $250,000 each year in with the deadbeats that feed off of handouts, it's insulting to a majority of this country. I worked my *** off at dead end jobs just to make ends meet until I went over $60,000 in debt (just getting started) to try and make a future for myself by going to college. You are insulting me directly when you say this, especially since I have NEVER accepted any handouts except for grants to put towards my student loans.

I know about economics, and I agree. I do place some of the blame on the Bush administration because of their frivolous spending habits and ill advised decisions that were portrayed to the citizens of this country as having a purpose that has yet to be seen.

This is a topic for a different thread though, as this thread is about Obama and not Bush.

This would be true if Obama hadn't clearly said that he intends to not only further the tax drops if you make less than $250,000/yr, but also provide a larger drop on top of it.

I understand why people oppose a seemingly socialistic economic policy (which it is to an extent, but so is much of our government right now), but at the same time I think that we need to really take a broad look at how our economy is doing right now. We are failing. Miserably. Will all Americans pay in one way or another for the rise in taxes on the "rich?" Of course, but at the same time Obama has put forth policies to counteract that by offering these companies their own tax breaks for bringing their outsourced jobs back to America, which will do nothing but help create jobs and put our snowballing economy back on the right track.

It is imperative that Americans come together right now as a country and forget about the classes/races, because if not the demise of America could very well be on the horizon. We need to get rid of the "Why should I?" attitude and realize that we all need to help each other. Is it right for the government to force this? No.. But I think that it's clear by some of the responses in this thread that it's not effing likely to happen if it were left up to the citizens themselves. We have become an outrageously selfish society and if we don't defeat that mentality right now we can kiss our free society goodbye. Hell, China damn near owns us as it is...





BTW, I would also like to note that I 100% think that our welfare system is flawed and should be trashed/restarted. I don't support the worthless deadbeats that are leeches on society even a single iota. I do, however, understand how someone would legitimately end up in that situation and need that help accordingly.

Also, I am saddened by the fact that a member here even called Obama a Muslim, even though he was born an American and was raised by a white Christian woman. He had one significant childhood experience where he was exposed to the Muslim faith by his (mostly estranged) father, and he returned back to his home with his mother and continued to be a functioning Christian citizen. The level of misinformation in this election is baffling, and I honestly wish that there were some sort of system in place to where you must answer a certain amount of questions about both major candidates (if you voted dem/rep) before your vote is considered valid. This would have weeded out all the "Harlem" voters as well as the ignorant Palin voters (not to mention a large majority of the die hard dems and repubs).

I think that this election has really shown a part of our society that I, for one, am absolutely ashamed to be associated with.

 

VERY well said, Firm. As clearly demonstrated right here on Zdriver, there is a lot of ignorance. I look forward to change and a new era of tolerance, peace and financial stability.

 

unless you rockin a AK-47 dont worry bout ya guns

 

this ones funny, look at the asian or whatever kid top right... so out of place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN7FLcITGMc

 

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