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09-09-2008, 07:36 PM
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yeah true that. but i've also read that it's vastly considered safe exept for a few scientists that just want to make a fuss about that little tiny possibility.
but any way, anyone know how to put that **** into scientific notation?
but any way, anyone know how to put that **** into scientific notation?
09-09-2008, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by snwbrderphat540
exactly ^^^^ so we got one thing in common ehhh... maybe my resentment for you will die haha... ahh who am i kidding, i can only hate truly ridiculous people
oh and they start that bitch up tomorrow i believe
oh and they start that bitch up tomorrow i believe
And yeah they're firing it up at 7:30 (Not sure if it's am or pm) so it's like in 3 hours man if it's am
The good news is I think they're not doing any collisions till October 21st or something.
We can all be hopeful that theoretically it's not all gonna blow up and kill most of us haha
09-10-2008, 12:51 AM
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Sorry I got here late, ladies... didn't notice anyone needed help until now. You guys need to fix the ZLover4Life signal - I wasn't able to see it in the clouds.
First off, the LHC is not going to end the world neither tomorrow nor in a few months when they go full power with it.
Get to reading... there are occurrences in nature (on Earth) happening every second that are, overall, more powerful than the LHC could ever produce.
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/sho...calypse%20axed
Now, first question was answered satisfactorily, apparently; second wasn't answered but you moved on, so I'll start with that.
0.00047 = 4.7*10^-4 = 4.7*10^(-4) or perhaps 4.7E(-4) or 4.7E-4
Last question...
i.e. 244766.025gm^2/s^2
Maple 11 FTW!
First off, the LHC is not going to end the world neither tomorrow nor in a few months when they go full power with it.
Get to reading... there are occurrences in nature (on Earth) happening every second that are, overall, more powerful than the LHC could ever produce.
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/sho...calypse%20axed
Now, first question was answered satisfactorily, apparently; second wasn't answered but you moved on, so I'll start with that.
0.00047 = 4.7*10^-4 = 4.7*10^(-4) or perhaps 4.7E(-4) or 4.7E-4
Last question...
i.e. 244766.025gm^2/s^2
Maple 11 FTW!
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09-10-2008, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Niku-Sama
i keep thinking theyre going to test the large hardon collider.
the way i see it is it cant make the economy any worse
the way i see it is it cant make the economy any worse
Now they are prepared to actually have protons collide, to do what the machine was meant to do.
And again, that is not something to fear. Read the link I posted and do further research... this isn't a question of the world ending. It's a question of science finally disproving creationism and further advancing our understanding of M-Theory.
09-10-2008, 10:06 AM
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right you are. i forgot about the E notation. i always write it as 10^6 or whatever. thanks man. you save the day again.
it seems i was making the second one a little more complicated then it needed to be. there were a lot like that, so i just needed to see it once i guess. thanks much.
interesting article. i have read similar things but this one was a lot more informed. stupid critics
it seems i was making the second one a little more complicated then it needed to be. there were a lot like that, so i just needed to see it once i guess. thanks much.
interesting article. i have read similar things but this one was a lot more informed. stupid critics
09-10-2008, 10:50 AM
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In my opinion (I read the article) they have a few problems with that comparison. Not that I'm against the LHC tests, just a little concerned.
Firstly, a controlled experiment where a proton is FORCED to collide DIRECTLY into another one, at equi-distant speed, is a lot different from radiation bombarding a heliosphere. Think of it like the difference of spraying two water guns at each other, 2 of them on "Shower" and then two of them on the small, narrow setting that has a lot more force. Just because there's more water in the "Shower" setting (Or energy in the cosmic rays) doesn't mean it's the same thing, or more destructive. Not to mention the heliosphere reflects, deflects, and lowers the intensity of everything it encounters. It's more like a soft glove than crashing into each other. Also, in space there is MUCH more room to expand and ease any sort of violent reaction that might occur.
Notice how there isn't constant nuclear explosions going on outside our atmosphere from atoms bombarding each-other with enough force to split a billion times? There is an amount of naturally occurring nuclear fission however with cosmic ray spallation yet it's not enough to cause a major destructive force. But it isn't like a calculated fission, like an a-bomb/h-bomb.
And above all else, lets not forget a few things.
A) This is all in theory, not one of the things people say "Oh it wont happen because of this" or "It will happen because of this" has ever occurred before, that's why the experiment is taking place... uh.. in.. the first.. place.
B) No one truly knows what will happen till it's had an actual collision.
I'm not saying it's the end of the world, I'm just saying, there is no proof that nothing will happen. It's more than likely that the physicists know what they're doing. But I find it discourteous to compare 2 similar-yet-not-even-the-same things as proof that nothing bad will happen. If you've ever read the actual safety issue release they gave, you will find no proof, only speculation, that nothing bad will occur. They sure worded it cleverly though lol.
Edit: Damn we totally hijacked the thread.. I'm sorry man!
Firstly, a controlled experiment where a proton is FORCED to collide DIRECTLY into another one, at equi-distant speed, is a lot different from radiation bombarding a heliosphere. Think of it like the difference of spraying two water guns at each other, 2 of them on "Shower" and then two of them on the small, narrow setting that has a lot more force. Just because there's more water in the "Shower" setting (Or energy in the cosmic rays) doesn't mean it's the same thing, or more destructive. Not to mention the heliosphere reflects, deflects, and lowers the intensity of everything it encounters. It's more like a soft glove than crashing into each other. Also, in space there is MUCH more room to expand and ease any sort of violent reaction that might occur.
Notice how there isn't constant nuclear explosions going on outside our atmosphere from atoms bombarding each-other with enough force to split a billion times? There is an amount of naturally occurring nuclear fission however with cosmic ray spallation yet it's not enough to cause a major destructive force. But it isn't like a calculated fission, like an a-bomb/h-bomb.
And above all else, lets not forget a few things.
A) This is all in theory, not one of the things people say "Oh it wont happen because of this" or "It will happen because of this" has ever occurred before, that's why the experiment is taking place... uh.. in.. the first.. place.
B) No one truly knows what will happen till it's had an actual collision.
I'm not saying it's the end of the world, I'm just saying, there is no proof that nothing will happen. It's more than likely that the physicists know what they're doing. But I find it discourteous to compare 2 similar-yet-not-even-the-same things as proof that nothing bad will happen. If you've ever read the actual safety issue release they gave, you will find no proof, only speculation, that nothing bad will occur. They sure worded it cleverly though lol.
Edit: Damn we totally hijacked the thread.. I'm sorry man!
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09-10-2008, 04:11 PM
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I was never providing that link as "proof" that nothing bad would happen. But people who haven't studied this level of physics (i.e. the majority of people) don't understand that these kinds of events do happen in nature - they're not creating something that has never gone on before. You're right in that there is no absolute certainty that we'll be ok... but as a mathematician, I tend to rely on numbers.
For example, there is a chance that a meteorite could crash through my ceiling, puncture my head, and kill me as I type this. But the chance is so extremely low that I'm not at all afraid of it happening.
And the probability of something going catastrophically wrong with the LHC are likely very low as well, else the scientists themselves (who have exact minds like me) wouldn't risk doing the experiment. It's simply not worth destroying the world to prove the big bang, so if there were a reasonable risk of that, they probably wouldn't bother.
For example, there is a chance that a meteorite could crash through my ceiling, puncture my head, and kill me as I type this. But the chance is so extremely low that I'm not at all afraid of it happening.
And the probability of something going catastrophically wrong with the LHC are likely very low as well, else the scientists themselves (who have exact minds like me) wouldn't risk doing the experiment. It's simply not worth destroying the world to prove the big bang, so if there were a reasonable risk of that, they probably wouldn't bother.
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09-10-2008, 04:50 PM
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w/e im still hoping for some sweet dark matter. haha.
also, we still got the fear of the micro robots they want to make to clean up pollution and fix crap that are self replicating. lol grey goo theory....
also, we still got the fear of the micro robots they want to make to clean up pollution and fix crap that are self replicating. lol grey goo theory....
09-10-2008, 05:00 PM
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Ah yeah I know. I didn't mean to come off as like "You wrong!", sorry if I did. Wasn't my intent really, I was more or less, just elaborating my opinion.
I disagree though. This hasn't happened in nature, only something similar as I was saying, that's kind of why I'm hesitant about it and really hope they know better than me ^_^(And assuredly they do). If we were just simply doing what cosmic rays did already, I'd totally agree with you, but we're not. That article is a tad bit flawed in it's reasoning. Even hawkings himself mentioned that hawkings radiation has never been seen ever, and he doesn't know what it'll take to close a black hole. We're going to be going in uncharted territory soon - and there's a bit more of a chance than the meteorite analogy, it's more like "You're driving home today, you may have a traffic collision, but you're a safe driver so you will most likely be fine".
True, they wouldn't risk it. But there are variables, Pride as a scientist getting in the way, and ignorance/bias. But thinking numbers like you said, you're probably right. the probability of something going wrong catastrophically, is low, especially with our track record of venturing into unknown science. We've pretty much won a great deal more than we've lost (Although as typing this, I was lol'ing because Hindenburg came to mind haha =) )
I'm also a pretty big pessimist, and I'm just thinking of all the technologies that will come out after their research, and all the weapons. I think that scares me the most.
You know, as an off topic, I despise math mostly, I always have, but I have always loved physics, doesn't that suck? They go hand in hand and I never liked math =(.
Edit: Lol snw. Skynet goes online in 3...2...1...
I disagree though. This hasn't happened in nature, only something similar as I was saying, that's kind of why I'm hesitant about it and really hope they know better than me ^_^(And assuredly they do). If we were just simply doing what cosmic rays did already, I'd totally agree with you, but we're not. That article is a tad bit flawed in it's reasoning. Even hawkings himself mentioned that hawkings radiation has never been seen ever, and he doesn't know what it'll take to close a black hole. We're going to be going in uncharted territory soon - and there's a bit more of a chance than the meteorite analogy, it's more like "You're driving home today, you may have a traffic collision, but you're a safe driver so you will most likely be fine".
True, they wouldn't risk it. But there are variables, Pride as a scientist getting in the way, and ignorance/bias. But thinking numbers like you said, you're probably right. the probability of something going wrong catastrophically, is low, especially with our track record of venturing into unknown science. We've pretty much won a great deal more than we've lost (Although as typing this, I was lol'ing because Hindenburg came to mind haha =) )
I'm also a pretty big pessimist, and I'm just thinking of all the technologies that will come out after their research, and all the weapons. I think that scares me the most.
You know, as an off topic, I despise math mostly, I always have, but I have always loved physics, doesn't that suck? They go hand in hand and I never liked math =(.
Edit: Lol snw. Skynet goes online in 3...2...1...
09-10-2008, 05:41 PM
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check out what this Indian girl did to celebrate LHC!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/
lol thats ****in redi
also the sun sends out like photon's and is made of plasma no? so i dont see how it can send out things that would create the reaction of the LHC otherwise we would be able to just study that. also the LHC is supposed to be able to reach right near the speed of light i believe and according to Einstein that could me another possible problem
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/
lol thats ****in redi
also the sun sends out like photon's and is made of plasma no? so i dont see how it can send out things that would create the reaction of the LHC otherwise we would be able to just study that. also the LHC is supposed to be able to reach right near the speed of light i believe and according to Einstein that could me another possible problem
09-10-2008, 06:08 PM
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nope, not sad, no pity for the dumb.... sorry i have no shame when it comes to idiocy of that level. it def deserves a lol. plus i've been forced by my 19th century lit class to read alot of russian fiction from the late 1800's all of which the main character has died and one where he both died and killed people yet no one has pity for the person that dies not even when its their father or husband, crazy ruskies....
09-10-2008, 08:46 PM
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remorse may be a waste, but laughing at that girls ignorance isn't just as much of a waste? i don't know. it doesn't bother me too much. she was stupid, so no big loss, i guess i just have something against laughing about the death of someone i didn't know
