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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 10:19 PM
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Like I said, stop cluttering our forum with your childhood stories and your childish banter.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 10:25 PM
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My "childhood" stories build motors

your posts blow motors
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 10:48 PM
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can the moderators start deleting some of these posts (including mine) that just diminish the reputation of Zdriver? Stop posting stupid stuff and get over it. No need to lie to be cool here and post pictures of other people's cars. I'm sure my posts have blown many motors, blah blah blah. Ill the bigger man, I'm done, whatever, you're completley right, you know all. you're God's gift to Zs......not get over it.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 10:49 PM
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 11:02 PM
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How can posting false info increase the reputation of Zdriver?

Face it, you got called out on some misinfo you posted.
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 11:04 PM
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yea yea whatever. You're awesome Evan, now shut up. I know, that's all I care about. I could care less what you think. Now go away.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 00Evan
My "childhood" stories build motors
So tell us evan, how many crankshafts have you fit into a block? Used very much plasti-guage? How many piston rings have you ground the end gaps on? Have you ever degreed camshafts? Do you advance or retard your cam timing for low end torque? Tell us how you cc a cylinder head........ What's a flow bench?

I'm sure you'll be a real expert at all of the above after you do a google search.

I've blown motors ...... you ever seen valve parts come out the exhaust pipes or laying in the intake manifold or oil pan? Have you ever seen a $10k crankshaft, that was trash after 15 minutes of running, thru a hole in the side of a $5k cylinder block?

My stories don't apply here because they don't yet relate to a Z. Your "stories" don't apply here because they're fiction.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 07:33 AM
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Ok mr engine genious

tell me why running 21psi on stock turbos with stock injectors isnt believable.

If you knew anything about motors like you say you do you could explain.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 07:47 AM
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Canyon, what have you built (and blown). Canyon's our hardcore guy. I didn't even know! That's hardcore man, I wish I had half the stories you have, and half the money it sounds like you have to not worry about.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 09:49 AM
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Canyon, what have you built (and blown).
I'm a turbo noob for sure. Tinker with a wastegate and bov and you can get any boost psi that you want. up to the point of bending a rod or popping some head bolts.

So around 1973, I blew up and rebuilt my first motor, albeit a motorcycle engine. I started tinkering on datsun motors in 1975. I've never had a timeslip or dyno chart but my motorcycles/cars/engines were faster than my friends and other wannabes that cruised whittier blvd, van nuys blvd. and socal canyons. I moved to small block v8's around 1978. Mostly stock blocks with bolt-ons. it's amazing how cheap that horsepower is. Up to this point I know datsun L-series motors, small block v8's, and honda/yamaha motors very well.

I had a short stint at a place called Electramotive in el segundo, ca. datsun buffs might remember don devendorf and bob sharp and the first datsun off-road race trucks.

Anyway, wife and kids took my focus and money away from cars for a few years, although I've always been a fabricator. In the early 90's, I had a guy doing some work for me that was running local nascar races. He needed some help and was glad to see I new a little about engines. I worked for him for two years running his car at mesa marin in bakersfield. After tiring of that, I stepped it up to a team running the nascar southwest touring series. I kinda became the engine guy there and eventually crew chief before retiring and going back to wife and kids after 5 years on the road. btw, this was all after my day job.

I was hardcore into 358 cu/in, 9:1 c.r., 390 cfm carb, 500 h.p. and trying to cheat like hell for an advantage. building and tuning engines for short tracks, long tracks and road courses. I also know a little about caster, camber, bump steer, weight distribution, and quick change gear ratios. I have built motors where I started with receiving a crated, raw aluminum, racing block, casting from gm and built from there. I didn't do the machining but I have hand ground the block to make clearance for the 26 pound crankshaft and removed weight elsewhere. I have cc'd cylinder head chambers and ports and I've watched a few heads being tested on a flow bench.

I've seen motors blown in all kinds of ways, usually initiated by a valve train failure. The biggest disappointment was the one that ran for 15 minutes or so....... just enough time to get to operating temp....hmmm.

Which brings me here ..... I've been a Z lover since a friend put a 350 chevy in his 240 in 1976. Every generation keeps getting better. I'm not into the horsepower game. I do like to drive. And when I need a new motor it will be n/a with more h.p. than stock. No timeslips or dyno charts needed.

When I do decide to build my n/a motor, I will apply my theories and knowledge to my approach regarding stroker kits, compression ratio, port & valve sizing and cam profiles. MAF, injectors and ecu too. If it fails, oh well I'll try again. What I won't do is argue with people that tell me it can't be done..

Since you asked, I replied, sorry for rambling/thread hijacking.

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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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no, this thread was already hijecked. I wanted to know. It sounds awesome! There was also a project where someone put an LS1 into a Z32. This might be another thing that you would be good at and something to look into for you. I think it's cool to be able to have those stories. I've got newfound respect.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 02:24 PM
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I stuffed a 327 in a datsun p/u. it beat my friends 240z with a 350, up until a 100 mph anyway. I'm doin' a 510 with a sr20 (turbo) right now. let my kid talk me into that one. I'm about done with motor swaps, too time consuming.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 03:48 PM
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:doh: Wow does this site suck, the mis-info runs rampant.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 07:13 PM
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http://www.300zxclub.com/showthread.php?t=44580

11.6 is the fastest I've read about on stock turbos. I would guess that 10.999 is virtually impossible unless you were to turn it into a pure drag car. Even then, it'll be hard, if not impossible.

I've read 14-15 psi is max without injectors, we can get away with up to 17, maybe 19 with injectors and IC's. I won't go over 17 with my mods and 91 octane. I'll be comfortable at 15 psi. I've read that stock turbos can't do much over 19. I haven't read if the automatic turbos are any different, but I would think they'd reach their limits at lower boost because they're smaller.

Emo, If you were new to this forum, I'd probably be all over you right about now, but since it's you, I give you the benefit of the doubt. What gas was he using? 21 psi, even with proper ECU tuning, a stock block, stock injectors and stock intercoolers is a tough one to swallow. This is the 1st I've ever read of this being done. Usually, it would end badly; i.e. a piston knocking the hubble telescope out of orbit after the pistion exits through the hood. I wouldn't do it, even if I didn't care about my turbos, my engine, or my car.

Can you shoot me over that video.
jodybartley@sbcglobal.net

Please post a timeslip if you cant rack it down. I'd like to see it. It's always fun to see a Z haulin' ***. :hpydance:
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 07:23 PM
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He cant send the video or post a timeslip because it doesnt exist.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 09:12 PM
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That's not really necessary.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 11:02 PM
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Email sent. It pretty much is a drag car. Like I said earlier. full race built tranny. gutted interior. skinnys in the front and slicks in the back. It's still street legal, but barely. it is hard to swallow, but I saw it with my own two eyes. Even if it was just a boost spike, it got there according to the EBC. And the times where he's gotten since I last heard have been pretty convincing for me. Last I heard was low 11s. I never said he got to 10s (he may have be now, I haven't talked to him in a while), that's his goal. He's the owner of powertrix, a local performance parts company that specializes in Zs.
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 08:35 AM
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I know charles but i have not heard of this 10 second stock turboed Z, hmmm
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 08:38 AM
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BTW
He ran an 11.97@ 112

here's cpark's car


And here's his mod list http://www.twinturbo.net/net/directo...x?user_id=7771
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 08:50 AM
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This aggressive negative attitude is very dissapointing to me.
I feel bad for having asked the question. :doh:
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 09:15 AM
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Read up the posts again fool. I said he ran an 11.9 and his goal is 10s on stock turbos. Last I heard, he ran low 11s, but it isn't verified. I've said that over and over and over again. you're so bull headed. Go away, I don't want you here anymore. Lucky, feel free to ask any questions you feel like, its just some people who just think they are the end all be all.
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 09:25 AM
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He's the owner of powertrix, a local performance parts company that specializes in Zs.
You don't live in San Diego do you?
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 09:28 AM
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So uh...... does anyone know the size of the stock turbos? Still didn't get a real answer.
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 10:34 AM
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Yes, I live in SD.
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 10:40 AM
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Yes, I live in SD.
Just met another guy that works on base with me with a 91 TT. We should start a club.



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