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EatmyDust 09-07-2005 08:41 AM

smoke in the Dust in the wind
 
Hey you guys I was working on my car 280 zx 1979, and I notice when I punch it she dumps a lot of fuel in and she smokes, then clears up in a secound with the throttle still down. I figured this was normal, cause she dosn't bog, she dosn't hesitate, she say ror, and go's. I figured if ther is any problem, it could be that I might need to move my distributer a little bit because I thought maybe it could be spark time. like I stated thogh, she is running great. what do you guys think?

NismoPick 09-07-2005 08:43 AM

What color is the smoke & where is the smoke coming from???

EatmyDust 09-07-2005 08:46 AM

its gas I do know that much, frome the exaust pipe. no leaks, just not burning it full enough for a minute

EatmyDust 09-07-2005 08:48 AM

man I could cut a donut like that car in the picture

NismoPick 09-07-2005 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by EatmyDust
its gas I do know that much, frome the exaust pipe. no leaks, just not burning it full enough for a minute

Well... at full throttle, it SHOULD dump a lot of fuel in. Try hooking up a timing light to check your timing, and for $40 you can get an air/fuel ratio gauge & check how rich / lean it's running.

EatmyDust 09-07-2005 08:53 AM

Stupid me I forgot to mention I am runing just a header no cat no muffler, so I think this is normal since is only a quick secound. I mean she is snapy. no cat to burn that partialy burned fuel that flys out. do you think this is a reasonable diagnosis?

EatmyDust 09-07-2005 08:54 AM

natrually asperated by the way

EatmyDust 09-07-2005 08:58 AM

If I were actually driving down the road you wouldn't see the smoke, but if you were behind me you might smell it.

Bleach 09-07-2005 09:29 AM

did your car have an oxygen sensor in the factory exhaust manifold? If so, do the headers have the oxygen sensor installed in them?

jfairladyz 09-07-2005 08:36 PM

First answer Bleaches question cause that could be it.
If you DO have the O2 sensor installed then check your TPS position. It could be off which is giving the ECU the wrong signal. It could be that the TPS is saying the throttle is WOT before it actually is so that fuel gets dumped a split second before there is actually enough air to burn it with. WOT throws the ECU into closed loop which means full enrichment based on air temp and mass and dosn't give a damn about A/F ratio.

EatmyDust 09-08-2005 12:32 AM

No this car isn't a cali car no o2 sensor, but I did replace the tps a wile back, not sure about the position aspect about it, I will check and see.

EatmyDust 09-08-2005 09:04 PM

Maybe I should have stated clear, this car wasn't manufactured to take input from an o2. Its not a california model. so there is not suposed to be a o2 sensor.

um it really isn't a problem, I was just wondering more or less if any of you guys were runing straight pipes no cat or muffler, did the same thing?

jfairladyz 09-08-2005 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by RubberBerner
if you don't have an 02, or your 02 is bad, your car will default to run rich, it could be your TPS, but im leaning towards the o2. You can test your 02 with a meter, under 1v is lean (add fuel), and 1-4.5 volts is rich (cut fuel)...this is all assuming that you have one in, if not..."here's your sign..." lol

An O2 sensor only puts out 1 volt. Which is the rich side. Most readings are going to be in mV. An ideal performance mixture is going to run up in the 800mV range. Dust, check the postition of the TPS. If you need any help on how to do that let us know. Myself, or I'm sure someone else on here can do so. If you're only getting smoke when you mash the throttle then the ECU wouldn't even take an O2 reading anyways (if it had one to begin with) At WOT the ECU only cares about air temp and throttle position to determine the mixture (on this car, newer cars are a little more advanced). The O2 only comes into play at idle and part throttle. And even then only when the car has warmed up. But smoke isn't neccessarily a bad thing. As I mentioned above, a richer than stock mixture is ideal for performance. 14.7 is only ideal for complete combustion and as a result, emissions. So if it's a light grey(can almost look white) color then I wouldn't sweat it. If it's white or dark gray/black then you could have yourself a problem.

RubberBerner 09-09-2005 12:22 AM

Disregaurd that post...i was answering 3 different threads in the wrong forum too, i need to just keep one window open at a time from here on out. Sorry

EatmyDust 09-09-2005 05:16 AM

well the smoke is light grey, so yea I guess you are right. no big deal um I have a boock that should tell me were to position it, but I don't fill like loocking it up, so do any of you guys know off hand? Let me mention that I like the performanc it gets right now so this might not be in my best intrest.

NismoPick 09-09-2005 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by EatmyDust
I have a boock that should tell me were to position it, but I don't fill like loocking it up, so do any of you guys know off hand?

I love books that just sit there & collect dust! Especially useful tech books! Actually... who needs books anyway?!?!?!?!

jfairladyz 09-09-2005 08:57 AM

Dust if you don't have a Ohmmeter then you won't be able to get the TPS right where you need it. You have to take resistance(or continuity) readings based on where the throttle is and adjust the switch accordingly. But if you're not having any drivability issues then I'd just let it be. That color smoke isn't dangerous at all. If it were too rich you'd feel a lack of performance but you said it was driving fine so don't even worry about it (well I guess you weren't too worried about it in the first place though were you :D ).

EatmyDust 09-09-2005 11:50 PM

why yes, I do have a meeter. but your right I am happy with the was it performs, so I will leav it be. ;)

nismo what do you mean about the boocks? I have so many boocks, on so many cars, and diesels, its a joke, knowledge is power, but if I don't have the boocks, I don't have some of that information, because that is too much for one person to remember. I have learned some good stuff from boocks, and I have learned some even better stuff by doing the actuall hands on. :cool:

lww 09-10-2005 12:22 AM

I'm sorry, what exactly is a boock? Is this some new computer based book or something?

NismoPick 09-10-2005 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by EatmyDust
nismo what do you mean about the boocks? I have so many boocks, on so many cars, and diesels, its a joke, knowledge is power, but if I don't have the boocks, I don't have some of that information, because that is too much for one person to remember. I have learned some good stuff from boocks, and I have learned some even better stuff by doing the actuall hands on. :cool:


I was being sarcastic, because you said you have the book, but are too lazy to look it up.... in other words, it sounded like you have the books, and never use them. :D

oh yeah... I am also wondering what a boock is!!!

EatmyDust 09-11-2005 06:22 AM

Ha ha I am so stupid
sorry man!


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