350 or s2000
12-19-2004, 01:32 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by Longawaited
A Z will never touch a viper !!.
And there are many Z32's that will smoke Vipers, look at ZO.
ZO VS. VIPER
Last edited by Redbeauty84ZX; 12-19-2004 at 01:36 PM.
12-19-2004, 03:03 PM
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Thats an old viper. The new viper stock runs the 1/4 in 11.2 at 126 mph. Its also street driveable and not going to break every 5 mins like that Z. It look like the guy in that viper didn't know how to drive.
Originally Posted by Redbeauty84ZX
Some twin turbo 350Z's are putting down 450WHP , thats more then a viper.
And there are many Z32's that will smoke Vipers, look at ZO.
ZO VS. VIPER
And there are many Z32's that will smoke Vipers, look at ZO.
ZO VS. VIPER
12-19-2004, 06:02 PM
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Buy the top of the line Z and with the money left from not buying a viper drop into upgrades and will see whos better. :woot:
I bet u will cost more to maintain a viper than a z in the span of its lifetime.Every car breaks down or need a rebuilt thats life.And your comparing the old with the new, 3 words "theory of evolution".SO stop being a viper troll
I bet u will cost more to maintain a viper than a z in the span of its lifetime.Every car breaks down or need a rebuilt thats life.And your comparing the old with the new, 3 words "theory of evolution".SO stop being a viper troll
Last edited by wilson101; 12-19-2004 at 06:08 PM.
12-19-2004, 06:42 PM
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According to you the new Viper runs a 11.8.
Why would that Z break down? Ask him your self how reliable it is his name is Zhound on twinturbo.net and its a 10 second Z. His most recent pass was a 10.6 at 132MPH, thats WAY faster then a viper. The VG30 is a VERY reliable engine when under boost compared to most engines. The VG30 isnt like the VQ35.
Why would that Z break down? Ask him your self how reliable it is his name is Zhound on twinturbo.net and its a 10 second Z. His most recent pass was a 10.6 at 132MPH, thats WAY faster then a viper. The VG30 is a VERY reliable engine when under boost compared to most engines. The VG30 isnt like the VQ35.
Last edited by Redbeauty84ZX; 12-19-2004 at 06:57 PM.
12-19-2004, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Longawaited
Year
Make
Model
Engine
HP
1/4 mile
(seconds) 1/4 mile
speed
(MPH)
Source
1968 Plymouth S/S Barracuda 426 Hemi V8 425 ** 10.5 130 MCR
1968 Dodge S/S Hemi Dart 426 Hemi V8 425 ** 10.5 129 MCR
2003 Ferrari Enzo 6.0L V12 660 10.8 135 MT
1969 Chevrolet Corvette ZL1 427 V8 430 ** 10.9 132 PM
2004 Porsche Carrera GT 5.7L V10 612 11.0 130 MT
2003 Saleen S7 427 V8 550 11.36 127 MT
2005 Ford GT 5.4L V8 S/C 500 11.6 128 CD
1997 Ameritech McLaren F1 6.0L V12 627 11.6 125 MT
2002 Lamborghini Murcielago 6.2L V12 571 11.72 122.52 MT
1964 Ford Fairlane T-bolt 427 V8 425 ** 11.76 122.78 CC
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.3L V10 500 11.77 123.63 MT
2001 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0L V12 550 11.8 121.0 MT
1997 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C 427 V8 488 11.8 121.0 MT
2004 Porsche Turbo X50 3.6L H6 T/C 450 11.86 119.91 MT
2002 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6L H6 T/C 456 11.9 120.6 CD
2004 Mercedes-Benz SL600 5.5L V12 T/C 493 11.9 120 CD
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6L H6 T/C 415 11.9 115.6 MT
2004 Superformance Brock Coupe 402 V8 515 12.0 120 MT
2000 Lamborghini Diablo 6.0L V12 550 12.0 119.8 CD
1963 Dodge Ramcharger 426 V8 425 12.0 117 MCR
2004 Porsche GT3 3.6L H6 380 12.07 116.04 MT
1997 Dodge Viper GTS 8.0L V10 450 12.07 115.2 MCR
1997 Ferrari F50 4.7L V12 513 12.1 124.5 CD
2000 Shelby Series 1 4.0L V8 S/C 450 12.1 120 CD
2000 Dodge Viper ACR 8.0L V10 460 12.2 119.2 MT
1966 AC / Shelby Cobra 427 V8 425 12.2 118 CC
2000 Ferrari 360 Modena 3.6L V8 395 12.2 113.5 MT
2003 Ferrari 575M Maranello 5.7L V12 508 12.26 118.58 MT
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 350 V8 405 12.29 116 CD
1997 Dodge Viper RT/10 8.0L V10 450 12.3 117.19 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz CL55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 493 12.38 114.45 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.39 116.21 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.5 116.1 MT
2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale 3.6L V8 425 12.53 114.14 MT
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 350 V8 385 12.57 113.96 MT
2003 Audi RS 6 4.2L V8 T/C 450 12.63 108.64 MT
2001 Shelby Cobra 289 FIA 5.0L V8 350 12.7 108.1 MT
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 427 V8 430 12.76 107 MCR
1990
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 LT5 350 V8 375 12.8 113.8 MT
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 S/C 390 12.8 113.2 CD
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.4L V8 385 12.8 112.7 MT
1966 Chevrolet Corvette L72 427 V8 425 12.8 112 CD
2002 BMW Z8 5.0L V8 394 12.8 111.6 MT
2002 Ferrari 360 Spider 3.6L V8 395 12.8 110.8 MT
1993 Dodge Viper RT/10 8.0L V10 400 12.8 110 MT
1999 Lotus Esprit 3.5L V8 T/C 350 12.85 110.96 MT
2002 Aston Martin Vanquish 6.0L V12 460 12.9 112.9 CD
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 440 V8 6-pack 390 12.91 111.8 SS
1999 Chevrolet Corvette LS1 350 V8 350 12.98 108.85 MT
1997 Pontiac Firebird / Hurst LS1 350 V8 350 12.99 103.11 MCR
2003 Maserati Coupe Cambio 4.2L V8 385 13.0 110.4 MT
2003 Chevrolet Corvette convertible LS1 350 V8 350 13.0 109.6 MT
1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS L78 396 V8 375 13.0 108.6 SA
1970 Plymouth Cuda 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.0 105.74 MCR
2002 Mercedes-Benz SLK32 AMG 3.2L V6 S/C 349 13.0 105.2 CD
2004 Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0L V10 495 13.08 109.89 MT
1995
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 LT5 350 V8 405 13.1 112 MT
2002 BMW M5 5.0L V8 400 13.1 109.4 MT
2004 Porsche 911 Anniversary Ed. 3.6L H6 345 13.1 108.2 MT
2001 BMW M Roadster 3.2L 6-cyl 315 13.1 107.6 MT
1970 Plymouth Cuda 426 Hemi V8 425 13.1 107.12 CC
1970 Dodge Challenger SE 426 Hemi V8 425 13.1 107.12 CC
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 V8 450 13.12 107.01 CC
1999 Ferrari F355 3.5L V8 375 13.13 107.56 MT
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 4.6L V8 305 13.13 105.51 MM
2004 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 5.4L V8 362 13.14 108.07 MT
1999 Pontiac Firebird Formula LS1 350 V8 320 13.15 108.27 MT
1991 GMC Syclone 4.3L V6 T/C 280 13.16 100 PHR
2002 Acura NSX 3.2L V6 290 13.17 107.65 CD
2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 8.3L V10 500 13.19 107.07 MT
1999 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 350 V8 320 13.2 108.8 MT
2004 Maserati Spyder Vintage 4.2L V8 385 13.2 108.2 MT
1991 Pontiac Firehawk 350 V8 350 13.2 107 CD
2002 BMW M3 Coupe 3.2L 6-cyl 333 13.2 106.9 MT
1969 Pontiac GTO Judge 400 V8 370 13.2 104 MCR
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution RS 2.0L I4 T/C 271 13.2 99.8 MT
2004 Subaru WRX STi 2.5L F4 T/C 300 13.23 104.6 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 5.5L V8 362 13.24 107.41 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 3.2L V6 S/C 349 13.24 106.86 CD
1987 Buick GNX 3.8L V6 T/C 300 13.26 104 CI
2002 Ferrari Barchetta Pininfarina 5.5L V12 485 13.3 111.8 CD
1968 Chevrolet Corvette L71 427 V8 435 13.3 108 HPC
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi V8 425 13.32 107.7 SS
1968 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 400 V8 360 13.33 103.56 CC
1967 Pontiac GTO 400 V8 360 13.37 103.4 MCR
1970 Buick GS Stage 1 455 V8 360 13.38 105.5 MT
1998 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am LS1 350 V8 305 13.4 107.3 MT
2000 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 5.9L V12 420 13.4 106.4 MT
2004 Maybach 57 5.5L V12 T/C 543 13.4 106.4 RT
1991 Pontiac Firehawk 350 V8 350 13.4 105.2 MT
2002 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Volante 5.9L V12 414 13.4 105.1 MT
1968 Chevrolet Corvette L72 427 V8 425 13.41 109.5 CD
2003 Jaguar XKR 4.2L V8 S/C 390 13.43 105.36 MT
2004 Audi S4 4.2L V8 340 13.44 105.06 CD
1999 Mitsubishi 3000 GT 3.0L V6 T/C 320 13.44 101.79 CD
1996 Chevrolet Camaro SS LT1 350 V8 310 13.46 106.48 MCR
1969 Dodge Super Bee 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.46 103.02 MCR
1969 Dodge Charger 500 426 Hemi V8 425 13.48 109 HR
2004 Cadillac CTS-V LS1 346 V8 400 13.48 105.33 MT
2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 LS1 350 V8 325 13.5 107.4 MT
2000 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 350 V8 325 13.5 107.3 MT
1968 Dodge Charger 426 Hemi V8 425 13.5 105 CD
1967 Plymouth GTX 426 Hemi V8 425 13.5 105 CD
1993 Pontiac Firehawk LT1 350 V8 300 13.5 103.5 MT
1989 Pontiac Trans Am 20th Ann. 3.8L V6 T/C 290 13.5 103 CC
1970 Pontiac GTO 455 V8 360 13.53 103.51 MCR
1968 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi V8 425 13.54 105.1 CD
1973 Pontiac Trans Am 455 V8 290 13.54 104.29 HR
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 426 Hemi V8 425 13.54 101 MCR
1969 Chevrolet Corvette L88 427 V8 430 13.56 111.1 HR
1968 Ford Mustang 428 V8 CJ 335 13.56 106.6 HR
1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 V8 375 13.6 106 HPC
1967 Shelby Mustang GT500 428 V8 CJ 355 13.6 106 CC
1993 Toyota Supra Turbo 3.0L I6 T/C 320 13.6 106 CD
2003 Panoz Esperante 4.6L V8 320 13.6 105.34 MT
1968 Chevrolet Chevelle SS L78 396 V8 375 13.6 105 PHR
2002 BMW M3 convertible 3.2L 6-cyl 333 13.6 103.8 MT
2004 Pontiac GTO LS1 350 V8 350 13.62 104.78 MT
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.62 104.3 CC
2002 Jaguar XJR 4.0L V8 S/C 370 13.62 104.21 CD
2001 Ford SVT F150 Lightning 5.4L V8 S/C 380 13.62 101.16 PM
1970 Ford Torino Cobra 429 V8 SCJ 370 13.63 105.9 SS
1968 Chevrolet Biscayne 427 V8 425 13.65 105 SS
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 351 V8 300 13.67 102.82 MCR
1970 Buick GSX 455 V8 360 13.66 100.2 CC
2004 Jaguar S-type R 4.2L V8 S/C 390 13.69 101.31 MT
1964 Dodge Polara 500 426 V8 365 13.7 107.37 HPC
1996 Chevrolet Corvette GS LT4 350 V8 330 13.7 105.1 RT
1971 Ferrari Daytona 4.4L V12 352 13.7 104 AM
1969 Plymouth GTX 440 V8 375 13.7 102.8 MT
1991 Dodge Stealth 3.0L V6 T/C 300 13.7 101 MT
1969 Dodge Dart 440 V8 375 13.71 105 CC
1971 Plymouth Road Runner 440 6-pack 385 13.71 101.2 CC
1971 Plymouth Cuda 440 6-pack 385 13.72 106 SS
1971 Chevrolet Corvette LS6 454 V8 450 13.72 102.04 CC
1971 Dodge Super Bee 426 Hemi V8 425 13.73 104 MT
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428 V8 CJ 335 13.73 102.31 CC
1968 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 V8 290 13.75 107 HPF
1962 Dodge Ramcharger 413 V8 410 13.75 106.76 CL
1969 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 428 V8 CJ 335 13.76 102.09 MCR
2003 Porsche Boxster S 3.2L H6 258 13.76 102.08 MT
1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass (Hurst/Olds) 455 V8 W-30 390 13.77 103.91 SS
2004 Nissan 350Z Track 3.5L V6 287 13.77 100.94 MT
1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 V8 335 13.79 106 HR
2004 Porsche Cayenne Turbo 4.5L V8 T/C 450 13.79 102.47 MT
2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LS1 350 V8 310 13.8 108.5 CD
1967 Chevrolet Corvette 427 V8 435 13.8 108 HR
1969 Pontiac Catalina 421 V8 405 13.8 106 CD
2001 Jaguar Vanden Plas 4.0L V8 S/C 370 13.8 104.2 MT
1965 Dodge Coronet 426 Hemi V8 425 13.8 104 CD
1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 351 V8 330 13.8 104 MT
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 320 13.8 103.3 MT
2000 Honda S2000 2.0L I4 240 13.8 100.5 MT
2004 Subaru Forester 2.5 XT 2.5L H4 T/C 210 13.8 97 CD
1967 Plymouth Satellite 426 Hemi V8 425 13.81 104 CD
1969 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 V8 375 13.83 102.27 SS
1987 Buick Grand National 3.8L V6 T/C 245 13.85 99 CD
1968 Mercury Cyclone GT 428 V8 CJ 335 13.86 101.69 MT
1969 Chevrolet Nova SS L78 396 V8 375 13.87 105.14 HR
1969 Shelby Mustang GT500 428 V8 CJ 335 13.87 104.52 SS
1969 Mercury Cyclone CJ 428 V8 CJ 335 13.88 101.7 MT
1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 455 V8 370 13.88 95.84 CC
1962 Chevrolet Corvette 327 V8 FI 360 13.89 105.14 HR
1969 Plymouth Barracuda 440 V8 375 13.89 103.21 SS
2003 Dodge SRT-4 2.4L I4, T/C 215 13.89 101.88 MT
1962 Pontiac Catalina 421 V8 405 13.9 107 MT
2002 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 3.6L H6 320 13.9 104.8 MT
1972 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 455 V8 300 13.9 104.6 CD
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428 V8 CJ 335 13.9 103.32 CL
1969 Pontiac GTO 400 V8 360 13.9 102.8 CL
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LS1 350 V8 305 13.9 102.5 RT
2003 Nissan 350Z Touring 3.5L V6 287 13.9 102.3 MT
Make
Model
Engine
HP
1/4 mile
(seconds) 1/4 mile
speed
(MPH)
Source
1968 Plymouth S/S Barracuda 426 Hemi V8 425 ** 10.5 130 MCR
1968 Dodge S/S Hemi Dart 426 Hemi V8 425 ** 10.5 129 MCR
2003 Ferrari Enzo 6.0L V12 660 10.8 135 MT
1969 Chevrolet Corvette ZL1 427 V8 430 ** 10.9 132 PM
2004 Porsche Carrera GT 5.7L V10 612 11.0 130 MT
2003 Saleen S7 427 V8 550 11.36 127 MT
2005 Ford GT 5.4L V8 S/C 500 11.6 128 CD
1997 Ameritech McLaren F1 6.0L V12 627 11.6 125 MT
2002 Lamborghini Murcielago 6.2L V12 571 11.72 122.52 MT
1964 Ford Fairlane T-bolt 427 V8 425 ** 11.76 122.78 CC
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.3L V10 500 11.77 123.63 MT
2001 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0L V12 550 11.8 121.0 MT
1997 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C 427 V8 488 11.8 121.0 MT
2004 Porsche Turbo X50 3.6L H6 T/C 450 11.86 119.91 MT
2002 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6L H6 T/C 456 11.9 120.6 CD
2004 Mercedes-Benz SL600 5.5L V12 T/C 493 11.9 120 CD
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6L H6 T/C 415 11.9 115.6 MT
2004 Superformance Brock Coupe 402 V8 515 12.0 120 MT
2000 Lamborghini Diablo 6.0L V12 550 12.0 119.8 CD
1963 Dodge Ramcharger 426 V8 425 12.0 117 MCR
2004 Porsche GT3 3.6L H6 380 12.07 116.04 MT
1997 Dodge Viper GTS 8.0L V10 450 12.07 115.2 MCR
1997 Ferrari F50 4.7L V12 513 12.1 124.5 CD
2000 Shelby Series 1 4.0L V8 S/C 450 12.1 120 CD
2000 Dodge Viper ACR 8.0L V10 460 12.2 119.2 MT
1966 AC / Shelby Cobra 427 V8 425 12.2 118 CC
2000 Ferrari 360 Modena 3.6L V8 395 12.2 113.5 MT
2003 Ferrari 575M Maranello 5.7L V12 508 12.26 118.58 MT
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 350 V8 405 12.29 116 CD
1997 Dodge Viper RT/10 8.0L V10 450 12.3 117.19 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz CL55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 493 12.38 114.45 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.39 116.21 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.5 116.1 MT
2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale 3.6L V8 425 12.53 114.14 MT
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 350 V8 385 12.57 113.96 MT
2003 Audi RS 6 4.2L V8 T/C 450 12.63 108.64 MT
2001 Shelby Cobra 289 FIA 5.0L V8 350 12.7 108.1 MT
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 427 V8 430 12.76 107 MCR
1990
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 LT5 350 V8 375 12.8 113.8 MT
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 S/C 390 12.8 113.2 CD
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.4L V8 385 12.8 112.7 MT
1966 Chevrolet Corvette L72 427 V8 425 12.8 112 CD
2002 BMW Z8 5.0L V8 394 12.8 111.6 MT
2002 Ferrari 360 Spider 3.6L V8 395 12.8 110.8 MT
1993 Dodge Viper RT/10 8.0L V10 400 12.8 110 MT
1999 Lotus Esprit 3.5L V8 T/C 350 12.85 110.96 MT
2002 Aston Martin Vanquish 6.0L V12 460 12.9 112.9 CD
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 440 V8 6-pack 390 12.91 111.8 SS
1999 Chevrolet Corvette LS1 350 V8 350 12.98 108.85 MT
1997 Pontiac Firebird / Hurst LS1 350 V8 350 12.99 103.11 MCR
2003 Maserati Coupe Cambio 4.2L V8 385 13.0 110.4 MT
2003 Chevrolet Corvette convertible LS1 350 V8 350 13.0 109.6 MT
1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS L78 396 V8 375 13.0 108.6 SA
1970 Plymouth Cuda 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.0 105.74 MCR
2002 Mercedes-Benz SLK32 AMG 3.2L V6 S/C 349 13.0 105.2 CD
2004 Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0L V10 495 13.08 109.89 MT
1995
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 LT5 350 V8 405 13.1 112 MT
2002 BMW M5 5.0L V8 400 13.1 109.4 MT
2004 Porsche 911 Anniversary Ed. 3.6L H6 345 13.1 108.2 MT
2001 BMW M Roadster 3.2L 6-cyl 315 13.1 107.6 MT
1970 Plymouth Cuda 426 Hemi V8 425 13.1 107.12 CC
1970 Dodge Challenger SE 426 Hemi V8 425 13.1 107.12 CC
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 V8 450 13.12 107.01 CC
1999 Ferrari F355 3.5L V8 375 13.13 107.56 MT
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 4.6L V8 305 13.13 105.51 MM
2004 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 5.4L V8 362 13.14 108.07 MT
1999 Pontiac Firebird Formula LS1 350 V8 320 13.15 108.27 MT
1991 GMC Syclone 4.3L V6 T/C 280 13.16 100 PHR
2002 Acura NSX 3.2L V6 290 13.17 107.65 CD
2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 8.3L V10 500 13.19 107.07 MT
1999 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 350 V8 320 13.2 108.8 MT
2004 Maserati Spyder Vintage 4.2L V8 385 13.2 108.2 MT
1991 Pontiac Firehawk 350 V8 350 13.2 107 CD
2002 BMW M3 Coupe 3.2L 6-cyl 333 13.2 106.9 MT
1969 Pontiac GTO Judge 400 V8 370 13.2 104 MCR
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution RS 2.0L I4 T/C 271 13.2 99.8 MT
2004 Subaru WRX STi 2.5L F4 T/C 300 13.23 104.6 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 5.5L V8 362 13.24 107.41 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 3.2L V6 S/C 349 13.24 106.86 CD
1987 Buick GNX 3.8L V6 T/C 300 13.26 104 CI
2002 Ferrari Barchetta Pininfarina 5.5L V12 485 13.3 111.8 CD
1968 Chevrolet Corvette L71 427 V8 435 13.3 108 HPC
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi V8 425 13.32 107.7 SS
1968 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 400 V8 360 13.33 103.56 CC
1967 Pontiac GTO 400 V8 360 13.37 103.4 MCR
1970 Buick GS Stage 1 455 V8 360 13.38 105.5 MT
1998 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am LS1 350 V8 305 13.4 107.3 MT
2000 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 5.9L V12 420 13.4 106.4 MT
2004 Maybach 57 5.5L V12 T/C 543 13.4 106.4 RT
1991 Pontiac Firehawk 350 V8 350 13.4 105.2 MT
2002 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Volante 5.9L V12 414 13.4 105.1 MT
1968 Chevrolet Corvette L72 427 V8 425 13.41 109.5 CD
2003 Jaguar XKR 4.2L V8 S/C 390 13.43 105.36 MT
2004 Audi S4 4.2L V8 340 13.44 105.06 CD
1999 Mitsubishi 3000 GT 3.0L V6 T/C 320 13.44 101.79 CD
1996 Chevrolet Camaro SS LT1 350 V8 310 13.46 106.48 MCR
1969 Dodge Super Bee 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.46 103.02 MCR
1969 Dodge Charger 500 426 Hemi V8 425 13.48 109 HR
2004 Cadillac CTS-V LS1 346 V8 400 13.48 105.33 MT
2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 LS1 350 V8 325 13.5 107.4 MT
2000 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 350 V8 325 13.5 107.3 MT
1968 Dodge Charger 426 Hemi V8 425 13.5 105 CD
1967 Plymouth GTX 426 Hemi V8 425 13.5 105 CD
1993 Pontiac Firehawk LT1 350 V8 300 13.5 103.5 MT
1989 Pontiac Trans Am 20th Ann. 3.8L V6 T/C 290 13.5 103 CC
1970 Pontiac GTO 455 V8 360 13.53 103.51 MCR
1968 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi V8 425 13.54 105.1 CD
1973 Pontiac Trans Am 455 V8 290 13.54 104.29 HR
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 426 Hemi V8 425 13.54 101 MCR
1969 Chevrolet Corvette L88 427 V8 430 13.56 111.1 HR
1968 Ford Mustang 428 V8 CJ 335 13.56 106.6 HR
1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 V8 375 13.6 106 HPC
1967 Shelby Mustang GT500 428 V8 CJ 355 13.6 106 CC
1993 Toyota Supra Turbo 3.0L I6 T/C 320 13.6 106 CD
2003 Panoz Esperante 4.6L V8 320 13.6 105.34 MT
1968 Chevrolet Chevelle SS L78 396 V8 375 13.6 105 PHR
2002 BMW M3 convertible 3.2L 6-cyl 333 13.6 103.8 MT
2004 Pontiac GTO LS1 350 V8 350 13.62 104.78 MT
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.62 104.3 CC
2002 Jaguar XJR 4.0L V8 S/C 370 13.62 104.21 CD
2001 Ford SVT F150 Lightning 5.4L V8 S/C 380 13.62 101.16 PM
1970 Ford Torino Cobra 429 V8 SCJ 370 13.63 105.9 SS
1968 Chevrolet Biscayne 427 V8 425 13.65 105 SS
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 351 V8 300 13.67 102.82 MCR
1970 Buick GSX 455 V8 360 13.66 100.2 CC
2004 Jaguar S-type R 4.2L V8 S/C 390 13.69 101.31 MT
1964 Dodge Polara 500 426 V8 365 13.7 107.37 HPC
1996 Chevrolet Corvette GS LT4 350 V8 330 13.7 105.1 RT
1971 Ferrari Daytona 4.4L V12 352 13.7 104 AM
1969 Plymouth GTX 440 V8 375 13.7 102.8 MT
1991 Dodge Stealth 3.0L V6 T/C 300 13.7 101 MT
1969 Dodge Dart 440 V8 375 13.71 105 CC
1971 Plymouth Road Runner 440 6-pack 385 13.71 101.2 CC
1971 Plymouth Cuda 440 6-pack 385 13.72 106 SS
1971 Chevrolet Corvette LS6 454 V8 450 13.72 102.04 CC
1971 Dodge Super Bee 426 Hemi V8 425 13.73 104 MT
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428 V8 CJ 335 13.73 102.31 CC
1968 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 V8 290 13.75 107 HPF
1962 Dodge Ramcharger 413 V8 410 13.75 106.76 CL
1969 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 428 V8 CJ 335 13.76 102.09 MCR
2003 Porsche Boxster S 3.2L H6 258 13.76 102.08 MT
1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass (Hurst/Olds) 455 V8 W-30 390 13.77 103.91 SS
2004 Nissan 350Z Track 3.5L V6 287 13.77 100.94 MT
1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 V8 335 13.79 106 HR
2004 Porsche Cayenne Turbo 4.5L V8 T/C 450 13.79 102.47 MT
2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LS1 350 V8 310 13.8 108.5 CD
1967 Chevrolet Corvette 427 V8 435 13.8 108 HR
1969 Pontiac Catalina 421 V8 405 13.8 106 CD
2001 Jaguar Vanden Plas 4.0L V8 S/C 370 13.8 104.2 MT
1965 Dodge Coronet 426 Hemi V8 425 13.8 104 CD
1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 351 V8 330 13.8 104 MT
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 320 13.8 103.3 MT
2000 Honda S2000 2.0L I4 240 13.8 100.5 MT
2004 Subaru Forester 2.5 XT 2.5L H4 T/C 210 13.8 97 CD
1967 Plymouth Satellite 426 Hemi V8 425 13.81 104 CD
1969 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 V8 375 13.83 102.27 SS
1987 Buick Grand National 3.8L V6 T/C 245 13.85 99 CD
1968 Mercury Cyclone GT 428 V8 CJ 335 13.86 101.69 MT
1969 Chevrolet Nova SS L78 396 V8 375 13.87 105.14 HR
1969 Shelby Mustang GT500 428 V8 CJ 335 13.87 104.52 SS
1969 Mercury Cyclone CJ 428 V8 CJ 335 13.88 101.7 MT
1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 455 V8 370 13.88 95.84 CC
1962 Chevrolet Corvette 327 V8 FI 360 13.89 105.14 HR
1969 Plymouth Barracuda 440 V8 375 13.89 103.21 SS
2003 Dodge SRT-4 2.4L I4, T/C 215 13.89 101.88 MT
1962 Pontiac Catalina 421 V8 405 13.9 107 MT
2002 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 3.6L H6 320 13.9 104.8 MT
1972 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 455 V8 300 13.9 104.6 CD
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428 V8 CJ 335 13.9 103.32 CL
1969 Pontiac GTO 400 V8 360 13.9 102.8 CL
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LS1 350 V8 305 13.9 102.5 RT
2003 Nissan 350Z Touring 3.5L V6 287 13.9 102.3 MT
What a colossal waste of time. Motor Trend, back in 2000 got an S2000 to run 13.8.....who cares. In March of this year, Motor Trend put the 350z up against and S2k, and the 350z was faster. Those were the times I've posted above. Your list doesn't take into account the conditions at the time of the test (temp/wind/humidity, etc.). The Honda probably turned that 13.8 on a cool spring day with the wind at it's back.
12-20-2004, 06:09 AM
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No the bottom line is bring your Z on and I'll kick you butt. :doh: If any of you Z guys want to race I live in Grand Rapids MI. Bring it on or shut up!! :argue:
What a colossal waste of time. Motor Trend, back in 2000 got an S2000 to run 13.8.....who cares. In March of this year, Motor Trend put the 350z up against and S2k, and the 350z was faster. Those were the times I've posted above. Your list doesn't take into account the conditions at the time of the test (temp/wind/humidity, etc.). The Honda probably turned that 13.8 on a cool spring day with the wind at it's back.
Originally Posted by 91zxtt
What a colossal waste of time. Motor Trend, back in 2000 got an S2000 to run 13.8.....who cares. In March of this year, Motor Trend put the 350z up against and S2k, and the 350z was faster. Those were the times I've posted above. Your list doesn't take into account the conditions at the time of the test (temp/wind/humidity, etc.). The Honda probably turned that 13.8 on a cool spring day with the wind at it's back.
12-20-2004, 06:22 AM
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The Z is a drag car NOT a stock street car like the viper. I also said the viper runs the 1/4 in 11.2
Originally Posted by Redbeauty84ZX
According to you the new Viper runs a 11.8.
Why would that Z break down? Ask him your self how reliable it is his name is Zhound on twinturbo.net and its a 10 second Z. His most recent pass was a 10.6 at 132MPH, thats WAY faster then a viper. The VG30 is a VERY reliable engine when under boost compared to most engines. The VG30 isnt like the VQ35.
Why would that Z break down? Ask him your self how reliable it is his name is Zhound on twinturbo.net and its a 10 second Z. His most recent pass was a 10.6 at 132MPH, thats WAY faster then a viper. The VG30 is a VERY reliable engine when under boost compared to most engines. The VG30 isnt like the VQ35.
12-20-2004, 10:00 AM
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do u own a viper? If had money i would rather put time in a z and build her up not by a viper and not know the compression its running or how much oil does the engine holds.BTW why dont u post a time slip/dyno sheet.
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12-20-2004, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Longawaited
No the bottom line is bring your Z on and I'll kick you butt. :doh: If any of you Z guys want to race I live in Grand Rapids MI. Bring it on or shut up!! :argue:
Whatever, I'll get right on that. Let's see, I've never been further East than Carson City, Nevada. I'll be sure to look you up the next time I'm in Michigan. :blah: I don't recall saying anything negative about your precious Viper; which you don't even own yet, but I can talk trash if you want. I don't recall saying that my car would beat a Viper. I also don't recall saying anything about your driving skills, but again, I can if you want. I don't recall saying that I'm a superior driver to you. What I do recall saying is that the list you put together is a waste of time. The 350z is faster than the S2k 0-60 and in the quarter mile. Sorry, but the 350z is not a drag car. The suspension is not set-up for a drag. It's setup more for the track than anything else. For the record, if someone were to drop $80k to purchase and Mod a Z, it would walk all over your Viper :hpydance: . The Viper may take it in the 1/4 mile, because once again, the Z is not a drag car, but in a real race, on the track, the Viper would spend the day trying to keep from getting lapped. :burnout: There now I said something about the Viper, so feel free to argue your points
Since I'm on the topic, how many Viper's do you see as daily drivers? Not many. How many Vipers do you see with 150k miles on them and still running strong? Even fewer. Why, you may ask?... Because it's a Didge. Don't start talking about reliability issues with the Z cars. It'll be a short discussion. These don't have reliability issues.Longawaited >:badpc: <91zxtt :rofl:
As Bill Murray said in Stripes, "Lighten up, Francis." or, maybe you can relate more to what Richard Pryor told Eddie Murphy to tell Bill Cosby,.."Have a Coke and a smile and shut the f*ck up." :headspin:
12-20-2004, 11:23 AM
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In response to the Z being a drag car. HMMMM. Lets think of first where ournot a prototype trait as cars were designed. Dare I say it, JAPAN. Not to many straights in Japan so the Z was designed and maketed as a street car. Quick turns, awsome handling and plenty of power to pull it through. And lets see about the Viper. AMERICAN. Don't get me wrong, I was born here and I'll salute the flag until the day I die, but americans have had one thing on there mind when designing cars for the last 60 years. 1/4 MILE. So you tell me which car is a drag car. Now it's true some companies are catching on. Take the new Corvette and Mustangs handling into account, but as a whole drag is still the focus. You drive your car the way you want. Nobody should tell you otherwise. If you question the purpose of the cars design however. Come with the facts. Oh, and yes the new Vipers have great handling as well but thats a secondary aspect of a redisign not a protoype trait as has been the history of the Z. :ranton:
Let the flames begin.
Let the flames begin.
12-20-2004, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Longawaited
The Z is a drag car NOT a stock street car like the viper. I also said the viper runs the 1/4 in 11.2
second off show me one stock viper that ran a 11.2 , I just cant see this happening.
12-20-2004, 02:11 PM
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...per/index.html
Motor Trend claims 12.2 in the 1/4 mile.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/s..._0306_spdtest/
MT got it down to 11.77 here.
The Murcielego posted 11.72. I don't see 11.2 coming out of a stock Viper.
Motor Trend claims 12.2 in the 1/4 mile.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/s..._0306_spdtest/
MT got it down to 11.77 here.
The Murcielego posted 11.72. I don't see 11.2 coming out of a stock Viper.
12-20-2004, 09:02 PM
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The more I look into it the more I have to say :BS: to your 11.2 second claim.
In the November 2004 issue of Car & Driver, there was an article titled,"10,000 HP slugfest". There were two bad *** Vipers included in that field. The 1st was a twin turbo / intercooled 800bhp/850 lb-ft of torque. 0-60 in 4.1. 1/4 mile in 11.6 @ 130MPH. That little beauty ran $137k. The 2nd was the Hennessey Venom Twin Turbo / intercooled with the same power and torque specs. 0-60 in 3.6. 1/4 in 11.1. She cost a mere $162k. So, if what you're saying is true, this 1st guy spent an additional $60k to make his car slower. The 2nd guy paid an extra $80k to gain .1 in the quarter.
Also, according to Motor Trend,...The Ford GT runs the 1/4 in 11.2. The Porsche Carrera Gt runs it in 11.1. The Ferrari Enzo runs it in 11.0. The Viper isn't in the same class. Sorry to say, but your Viper isn't as mean as you think it is. I'll keep my Z. I'll look you up if I ever wind up in Michigan..
Take care, bye bye then.
In the November 2004 issue of Car & Driver, there was an article titled,"10,000 HP slugfest". There were two bad *** Vipers included in that field. The 1st was a twin turbo / intercooled 800bhp/850 lb-ft of torque. 0-60 in 4.1. 1/4 mile in 11.6 @ 130MPH. That little beauty ran $137k. The 2nd was the Hennessey Venom Twin Turbo / intercooled with the same power and torque specs. 0-60 in 3.6. 1/4 in 11.1. She cost a mere $162k. So, if what you're saying is true, this 1st guy spent an additional $60k to make his car slower. The 2nd guy paid an extra $80k to gain .1 in the quarter.
Also, according to Motor Trend,...The Ford GT runs the 1/4 in 11.2. The Porsche Carrera Gt runs it in 11.1. The Ferrari Enzo runs it in 11.0. The Viper isn't in the same class. Sorry to say, but your Viper isn't as mean as you think it is. I'll keep my Z. I'll look you up if I ever wind up in Michigan..
Take care, bye bye then.
12-20-2004, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Longawaited
I have taken four driving classes because I'm buying a viper is spring.
12-21-2004, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Longawaited
I have a s2000 and a Z. In a drag race my s2000 will beat my Z. I will put down any stock z on this form. I live in Michigan. Bring it on!! About the Z, I love the car and Is just as cool as my S.
With money apparently no object, why don't you modify or customize instead of owning all stock cars?
I'm going for
1- Restored classic: Datsun 280ZX
2- Customized: Ford Probe
And if everything goes well, in a few years #3- High Performance Sports car...probably european.
(Jaguar F-Type!...Build it dammit!!!)
If ya got the money, I just think 3 factory stock cars is kinda boring... you could just rent those cars & others for the same driving experience.
...Just my opinion, though.
12-21-2004, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Longawaited
I have a s2000 and a Z. In a drag race my s2000 will beat my Z. I will put down any stock z on this form. I live in Michigan. Bring it on!! About the Z, I love the car and Is just as cool as my S.
With money apparently no object, why don't you modify or customize instead of owning all stock cars?
What I am personally going for is:
1- Restored classic: Datsun 280ZX
2- Customized: Ford Probe
And if everything goes well, in a few years #3- High Performance Sports car...probably european.
(Jaguar F-Type!...Build it dammit!!!)
If ya got the money, I just think 3 factory stock cars is kinda boring... you could just rent those cars & others for the same driving experience.
...Just my opinion, though.
03-10-2005, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by e_racer1999
i like both, but i'd rather have the s2k. just something about a 3700 lb 3.5L V6 "z" that doesn't tickle my pickle. i'm not a big displacement fan, so that is my biased opinion. i actually don't care too much for the 350z, and the S2K seems more of a sport roadster than the 350z. JMHO
03-10-2005, 09:44 AM
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Guys,
No bashing here and it is all a matter of preference.
I own both cars an 05 Z and an 05 S2000. At the end of the day, I like the s2000 better because it gives me more driving frills. The light weight of the s2000 is apparent the minute that I switched from one to another.
Here is the reason why I like the s2000 more:
1. The s2000 in its stock trim outhandle the z on an autocross course (and yes I do a lot of autocrossing)
2. I love the thrashing sound of the 4 banger and it has more of a character than the Z's engine. You guys talk about the Z being faster and I will not comment on that. Given the right driver either car can be faster than the other. There has been time when I completely spank a guy in a 350z and he would pull up next to me and said "did you do anything to your car?". Now I'm not saying that the s2000 is faster, my point is, you will come across a lot of drivers that does not know how to push their car. IN a race situation, even if you win by .01 of a second, you are faster than the other guy.
3. a 4 banger making 240 HP and is guaranteed to be reliable up to 200k miles is no small task and you have to applaud Honda for that. Don't be ignorant in saying hey nevertheless, it is after a honda because that only says that you're ignorant.
Now, why do I also have a 350z since I like the s2000 more?
Well the Z has its own characters that makes it fun to drive as well. I picked up the Z because my Evo was in the shop and did not have a spare car to go to vir. The s2000 does not have a roll bar and hardtop.
No bashing here and it is all a matter of preference.
I own both cars an 05 Z and an 05 S2000. At the end of the day, I like the s2000 better because it gives me more driving frills. The light weight of the s2000 is apparent the minute that I switched from one to another.
Here is the reason why I like the s2000 more:
1. The s2000 in its stock trim outhandle the z on an autocross course (and yes I do a lot of autocrossing)
2. I love the thrashing sound of the 4 banger and it has more of a character than the Z's engine. You guys talk about the Z being faster and I will not comment on that. Given the right driver either car can be faster than the other. There has been time when I completely spank a guy in a 350z and he would pull up next to me and said "did you do anything to your car?". Now I'm not saying that the s2000 is faster, my point is, you will come across a lot of drivers that does not know how to push their car. IN a race situation, even if you win by .01 of a second, you are faster than the other guy.
3. a 4 banger making 240 HP and is guaranteed to be reliable up to 200k miles is no small task and you have to applaud Honda for that. Don't be ignorant in saying hey nevertheless, it is after a honda because that only says that you're ignorant.
Now, why do I also have a 350z since I like the s2000 more?
Well the Z has its own characters that makes it fun to drive as well. I picked up the Z because my Evo was in the shop and did not have a spare car to go to vir. The s2000 does not have a roll bar and hardtop.
08-31-2005, 10:04 AM
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The 350z is the fastest stock car on the road right now (except for the corvettes and ford GT). I have have raced plenty of S2000s and they have no chance against my V6 287 HP engine. To be fair in my judgement the S2000 can keep up untill the Z changes into 3rd gear and that all she wrote the S2000. I am an experience driver hacing owned turbo charged 300zx, Rx-7s, and Supras. I used to owned a 2002 miata with a cold air intake and slighty modified over stock. I used to give the S2000 run for its money with my miata. I have a friend who has a 350z with automatic trans and he raced the same S2000 that I race all the time. The S2000 (which is manual) would keep up until 110mph then the 350z would leave the s2000 in its dust. Now the driver of the S2000 is an excellent driver but the S2000 can only do some much against the 350z before it falls. If your boyfriend doesnt belive this (which I am sure he won't) tell him to race me in my 350z, experience driver Vs.experience driver, and he will change his opinion I gurantee it.
09-25-2005, 03:58 PM
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Who said it was garuanteed reliable up to 200K? Honda? You? Do you have 200K on your S2000? I call BS on that one. There's no way it will hold up under hard driving for 200K no way no how. Grandma might get there, but guys like us that actually drive their cars... no way. My first reason in reading this thread was just out of curiosity, then I decided to respond just because I thought the whole argument was silly. I'm not a big fan of either car honestly. I love Z cars, all Z cars, and I know honda builds great little econbox reliable grocery getters (And an overly expensive, poor handling maintenance hog callled NSX). But, Honda builds quality (Most of the time). I'm in the Industry, I see the good, the bad and the ugly on a daily basis. I've personally seen way more S2K's with serious issues than I have 350Z's In fact, I have seen far too many S2K's with major and unforgiveable defects with very few miles on them. Reliability is not a factor here anyway. The issue at hand from the begining was "Which is faster". The answer isn't about which driver has more skill, on what road, under what circumstances. I noticed all the S2K guys are quick to start "qualifying" their absurde remarks before hand, "Well, on an autocross track" or (If the guy in the Z is a bad driver" or what ever. Bottom line is, the Z is the faster car... PERIOD. It's not just faster when the conditions favor it. If you drive an S2K and you happen to beat a 350Z, consider yourself lucky, but don't think it's because your car is faster. I have spanked more than a few S2K's in a 1980 280ZX with only minor modifications to the motor and some significant tire and suspension mods... and I mean SPANKED... not because the guy couldn't drive, not because they weren't trying. I'm talking about Ricky Racer guys who live and die to show off how fast their honda is... did I mention that I Spanked them? What I haven't managed to do yet, is get the better of a 350Z and beleive me... I have tried. That should be all the proof needed. Sorry if I Pissed off the Honda lovers, but this ain't www.happyhondaowners.com
Rod.
P.S. Did I mention that my S2000 spanking 1980 280ZX has 244,xxx Mile on the original motor and tranny with no internal repairs... ever? Don't bring reliability into a Z argument unless you're gonna talk about how incredibly reliable Z cars are.
Rod.
P.S. Did I mention that my S2000 spanking 1980 280ZX has 244,xxx Mile on the original motor and tranny with no internal repairs... ever? Don't bring reliability into a Z argument unless you're gonna talk about how incredibly reliable Z cars are.
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09-29-2005, 05:07 AM
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Word man, you hit the nail on the head! People are just jealous of our Z cars, because deep down, they know we are right, and will stand by our Z's. 
I mean I have smoked in my '81 280zx a '69 Chevelle beefed, took a Porsche at a light, and also a Vette. No lies, the Z's when they are maintained, and taken care of, will surprise many people! 
People are just jealous of our Z cars, because deep down, they know we are right, and will stand by our Z's. I mean I have smoked in my '81 280zx a '69 Chevelle beefed, took a Porsche at a light, and also a Vette. No lies, the Z's when they are maintained, and taken care of, will surprise many people!
